Creators.TF Discussions

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 09:09 AM

Joined the server.

Leia 25-Oct-20 09:10 AM

Joined the server.

Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:10 AM

Joined the server.

Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:12 AM

Joined the server.

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 09:15 AM

Joined the server.

Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:21 AM

Promo guy here. I didn’t upload

I asked Ertz to as well as to talk it over with Kibble

Don’t know why he thought it was me

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 09:23 AM

Damnit Vipes, more drama? Kappa

Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:25 AM

hush

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 09:25 AM

I'm kidding haha

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:33 AM

Joined the server.

Leia 25-Oct-20 09:33 AM

helo

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:34 AM

Konnichiwa

Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:34 AM

Hey Zon. I heard. I’m sorry about everything that happened with you

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:34 AM

It's all good mate

Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:34 AM

You really do deserve way more respect than what you get.

Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:35 AM

Give me a bit guys, I'm setting everything up.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:35 AM

Thanks, it means a lot

So is the C.TF coup?

Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:35 AM

No, not a coup.

Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:35 AM

Coup is a strong word

Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:35 AM

I hope it never gets to that point.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:36 AM

I mean I just want Tyler gone

And for our feedback to be taken seriously

Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:36 AM

More like pointing out the major issues and how it’s killing the project and pretty much everyone involved

Tyler happens to be one said major issue

Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:37 AM

I was on the fence about Tyler, but his video on the update pushed me over. God damn embarrassment.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:38 AM

I've only said this to Leia but I'm currently writing a private letter directly to the team

Just about everything I've been told and my experiences

Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:38 AM

As I was telling Leia I tried to like the guy but god damn does he rub me the wrong way each chance he gets

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:38 AM

Yeah same

Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:39 AM

But what needs to be understood about this Discord, is that this is not a drama discord. This is not the place for chaos and conspiracy. If this is to have a positive impact on Creators, it needs to be done right.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:39 AM

Fair enough, we're not trying to overthrow everything

Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:39 AM

From trying to take credit for everything to half assing his PR, to even passing our work as actual valve work

And he calls himself a reporter?

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:40 AM

He is but he's really bad at it

See the update vid

Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:40 AM

Oh I did.

Zero effort

Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:40 AM

#vnn-discussion

Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:40 AM

Not even a link in the description or comments

Leia 25-Oct-20 09:41 AM

i want to hear what touge has to say about this server (edited)

since it's his idea

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:42 AM

This is what I've written so far

PREAMBLE The internet pulls us into many strange places sometimes. If you were to show a human 50 years ago what the modern digital age looks like today, it would probably cause sensory overload and it’ll kill them. On that digital age though is billions and billions of multicolored, unique tiny little specks; each containing something that we’ve created. We are but one of those little specks, Creators.TF.

The internet also brings lots of people together. In our little speck, we’ve managed to assemble thousands of people together to play on our servers to learn, to play, to create new memories, and to have fun. The internet has also assembled the Creators.TF development team, where smart people who specialise in many forms of digital creation come together to make updates for their community servers.

If everything was sunshine and rainbows, I wouldn’t be writing this letter today, and we’d all be playing the latest and greatest updates. Unfortunately, life doesn’t go the way we want it, no matter how hard we try. To put it blunty: there’s a black mold growing throughout the development team. There is something so repulsive that it pisses me off to even think about.

(edited)

Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:45 AM

We need a good name for this discord.

Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:47 AM

“which leads me to believe that Tyler McVicker may have had some influence in the decision to remove tougeFS from the team.” Firstly it was solely Tyler. There was no vote and if there was he pretty much overruled/veto’d everyone’s votes

Only Tyler had an issue with touge

as far as I know at least

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 09:58 AM

“which leads me to believe that Tyler McVicker may have had some influence in the decision to remove tougeFS from the team.” Firstly it was solely Tyler. There was no vote and if there was he pretty much overruled/veto’d everyone’s votes

@Vipes Yes, this was only from my own perception of what I had seen/told/read but I appreciate the clarification

Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:59 AM

no problem

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:21 AM

The major issue, or what it seems to be, is Moonly thinking he owes something to VNN.

I don’t know if this is hero worship, Moonly feeling like he owes VNN something, or seeing VNN as an asset to get his and our foot in Valve’s door but whatever it is needs to stop.

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:22 AM

Considering how Valve see VNN, I doubt that would be an issue.

In fact, it would probably be in his benefit to distance himself as far away from VNN as possible.

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Leia 25-Oct-20 10:23 AM

Yeah

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:23 AM

see the thing is, moonly for some reason thinks it's all VNN's idea. Or most of it

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:23 AM

Says who?

Leia 25-Oct-20 10:24 AM

According to Tyler on stream (the same as the Mannpower update leak), he's in the team of the upcoming tf2 official community updates of 2021

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:24 AM

no, tyler's idea was a "community celebration" video. he was just going to put random stuff people made into a video

Moonly took that "idea" if you can even call it that, and turned it into c.tf

it feels like Tyler's trying to zuckerburg C.TF and the sad thing is Moonly seems to be more than willing to let him

honestly, my whole take on this, is it seems like Moonly thinks he owes Tyler something for creators.tf.

It's the only way it'd explain all the shit that's going on

and tyler is more than content with snapping up all the credit as we've all seen, as well as putting words in the staff's mouth

we never said anything about mannpower. not even a passing mention

Leia 25-Oct-20 10:28 AM

The only trace of it is a discussion in vc that Alibi probably has a recording of

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:28 AM

as I told the rest of the team, I'd rather work on passtime over mannpower. Mannpower is a broken mess, a format more suited to arena shooters that aren't class based. Passtime has promise and is actually fun. Really only issue is there's not many maps

Leia 25-Oct-20 10:28 AM

Because Moonly went in public VC to tell us about it

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:29 AM

The only trace of it is a discussion in vc that Alibi probably has a recording of

@Leia No, I do not. I was not in that VC

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:29 AM

speaking of team, I need that orange tag

Leia 25-Oct-20 10:29 AM

Sad

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:30 AM

there is no redeeming mannpower. you're forcing a square peg in a round hole

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:31 AM

There you go.

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:31 AM

thanks

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:39 AM

And do what? Leave? Cause it's Moonly that's leading all of this. He is the one behind the codebase and the website. He's spent months doing all of this.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:40 AM

Moonly just wants to code

that's it

look at how hard Jon fucked the project

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:41 AM

Exactly, so we can negotiate with him. Convincing him will open all the doors of change we could possibly want.

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:41 AM

Yes, but if we force his hand like that, all we're doing is making it worse down the road. He's going to grow resentment

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:41 AM

or me and stox getting kicked

and how much of a mess that created

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:41 AM

I'm with Alibi on it, we need to convince

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:41 AM

Jon least had the decency to keep everything backed up. He could have fucked it up even harder by deleted everything. (edited)

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:42 AM

Jon already leaked a bunch of shit, including entire discord channels as well as throwing me under the bus not once, not twice, but three times if not more

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:43 AM

Well, Jons gone now and he's not coming back, or anywhere TF2 from last I heard, so that's not an issue anymore.

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:43 AM

touge and stox didn't deserve the axe. Jon did. If he was going to pull that shit, it's good he's gone

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:45 AM

agreed, what i'm saying is

the last thing moonly wants to deal with

is another situation where the discord melts down

and staff leave

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:45 AM

I remember very distinctly that the reason HiGPS got the "Community manager" role was because Moonly didn't want to do it. Now he's stepped down silently, Moonly's been forced back into it. If presented nicely, he won't need much convincing.

Push Moonly too hard and he might just give up on everything, at which point, where would we go from there?

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:46 AM

just don't force moonly's hand. the moment we do so we lose all credibility, no matter how much proof we have

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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:47 AM

it's a delicate balance

ovbiously we don't want to make moonly say fuck this and shut it down

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:48 AM

How massive are we talking? I'm only seeing three staff members, and one staff member who was wrongfully booted.

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:48 AM

There is discontent among a lot of the staff about various different things.

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 10:49 AM

im just here to lobby for c.tf to make a class limit of 1 for engie, and remove pyro from the game entirely

tbh

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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:50 AM

me, I can easily be replaced. all I really do is act like a guiding hand on some things and moderate the workshop as well as hand out self mades. pretty much anything someone else could do. Leia, not so much can be replaced quickly

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:50 AM

Can you not please.

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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:51 AM

i'm going to speak to steph, i've spoke to some other discord mods and a few game mods

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:51 AM

I know Kaya is really on board with my community related ideas, and he's said Rob is too.

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 10:53 AM

Where is my self made rocket jumper

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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:53 AM

I think we really need to work on getting key figures convinced. Me? I'm not a key figure. Like I said if anything I'm an art supervisor/workshop moderator. Anyone who knows TF2's artstyle as deep as me can take over my spot. Leia is a key figure. Zon is too, at least community wise. Honestly Zon needs to be staff staff (edited)

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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 10:55 AM

Remember Moonley is 17. He's still a kid and I think its important to try our best to look like we are trying to help and not usurp him.

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:55 AM

last time I checked we weren't trying to usurp him anyway. It's VNN that needs the tossing overboard

DeLichte 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM

He's under a lot of stress right now and I think that's important to remember

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM

yeah moonly is a great guy, he just needs to re-evaluate his role in the project (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM

with those 2 gone

DeLichte 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM

But we do not know how he will view it despite us knowing our good intentions

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM

and my reinclusion

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM

Moonly keeps selling himself short, and giving Tyler way too much credit

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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM

Right

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM

we can offer a fix

"take these two off staff, let the guy who did work in on the team again and you can relax and focus on coding"

DeLichte 25-Oct-20 10:57 AM

Show that we support him and offer him a referendum that shows our support but also our needs and expectations

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:57 AM

But Moonly must be Convinced this is for the betterment of C.TF. That things will be better, and be able to prove it.

DeLichte 25-Oct-20 10:57 AM

But this is only going to fly if you get staff that actually matter on this. Steph or Rob- mainly

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:58 AM

Yes. Convinced. Not forced. Ultimately it has to come from him, not some mutiny

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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:58 AM

absolutely

i know steph on a semi-personal basis

and i know rob is sympathetic to our causes

leia spoke to him earlier

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:59 AM

tyler doesn't deserve co-creator. that title belongs to rob or jota tbh

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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:59 AM

can someone download VNNS video

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 10:59 AM

"co-creator" of what lmao

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:59 AM

along with screenshots of the description

and lack of links

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:59 AM

Post that evidence in #archive-evidence

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:59 AM

Tyler is somehow the "co-creator" of C.TF. I have no clue how other than Moonly feeling like he owes Tyler something

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:59 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM1uIvR2XiE

Valve News Network

TF2's Overflowing Halloween Special Explained - Creators.TF

My Merch: https://crowdmade.com/collections/valvenewsnetwork My E-Mail: tylermcvicker@yahoo.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/ValveNewsNetwor Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/tylermcvicker Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/valvenewsnetwork Discord: https://discord.gg/yn6JUhF Tod...

i need someone to DL this

or link me to a place where i can

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:01 AM

@tougeFS #archive-evidence

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:04 AM

touge handwriting reveal pog

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:04 AM

i'm lefthanded if you couldn't tell

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:04 AM

im also lefthanded

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:04 AM

hi touge

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:04 AM

why do you need to timestamp it though like that

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:04 AM

hey zonical

so no one can go "it's photoshopped VNN would never do this"

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:04 AM

ah

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:05 AM

incase he updates the desc

i've got kat on our side

but i don't trust her to not leak shit

so no one invite her here

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:06 AM

What would there be to leak?

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:07 AM

our plan and the people on our side

i want to be fully prepared before this is known

it's better if we're fully amassed with a core group and organized list of changes

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:07 AM

This isn't a secret coup, most of this is already in #Feedback in Creators anyway

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:07 AM

it's more about not letting VNN and GPS see this

if they find out you think they're not going to try to convince moonly we're conspiring against him?

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:08 AM

Well.. I'm certainly not.

And if GPS or VNN lie about that, then we can prove otherwise.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:09 AM

i'd rather play it safe than sorry

the less chance we have of them finding out ahead of time the better

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:12 AM

The more secret this become, the more of a coup it looks. We cross that line, we'll lose all credibility.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:13 AM

did anyone see the start of the letter im writing?

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:13 AM

we just need a day or two to get everything and everyone together

Noodle 25-Oct-20 11:13 AM

oi, wats all dis den

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:13 AM

I've seen enough powergrabs from malicious admins on my time using Discord to know how bad these can go if messed up.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:14 AM

it's not like we're saying give us the project or we're going to fucking kill it

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:14 AM

we just want reform (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:14 AM

we're simply saying we don't like the way it's going, we want reform

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:14 AM

You see a shady guy down a back ally being all secretive, you're going to assume the worst.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:15 AM

there's a difference between being secretive and shady

and taking time to prepare

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:15 AM

They'll find out soon enough anyway.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:15 AM

yeah

but it's not like tyler can fire anyone

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:16 AM

that's part of it

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:16 AM

What we need to do, Is get Moonly in here, in VC, when everyone is on.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:16 AM

but the more we have

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:16 AM

i want to be in a meeting with literally everyone yeah

also

ik this is probs for #gps-discussion but i swear if he blows this off

like he did with the @here incident

https://tenor.com/view/sharpen-knife-sharpening-knife-gif-11318351

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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:18 AM

GPS silently dropping his role as "Community Manager" then proceeding to have 0 known interaction with the community says everything that is needed.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:18 AM

i would honestly be down for yeeting him but that's a whooooooole 'nother bag of worms for a different time

and we dont really want to be throwing people overboard left right and centre

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:19 AM

hey, to be fair, the here was my fault, not gps

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:19 AM

yeah i know

but it's how he handled it

#archive-evidence

and him just blowing the whole thing off as "oh just get over it"

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:20 AM

On a side note, is there any suggestions for additions to this discord?

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:20 AM

i reckon just leave it as is

doesn't need to be too fancy

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:21 AM

True, but it needs to be well organised, and I'm only one member. I may have a lot of ideas, but I don't have them all.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:21 AM

aight steph doesn't seem willing to talk rn

she just seems to want to avoid all potential drama

which is understandable

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:21 AM

i had a bit of a convo with steph last night about how the team handles feedback

and we just talked about moonly and tyler

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:22 AM

That's fine, She is a core part of Creators though. By that nature she'll be involved eventually.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:22 AM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728405000900050954/769673784885510245/unknown.png

i know she's not exactly happy with it

i'll need to speak to rob when he's available

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:24 AM

Stephs work does need to be commended though, I do have ideas on that.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:24 AM

Can someone speak to Kaya and see how they feel about it?

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:24 AM

yeh

sure

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:24 AM

I've already invited them, haven't responded. Though it is very late

Noodle 25-Oct-20 11:24 AM

Uncomfortable

I will check back to read through when scrims are over

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:25 AM

Does anyone know any other staff members who share our sentiment?

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:25 AM

i wouldn't know

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:26 AM

ok that's good for today

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:26 AM

does anyone know when leia's original feedback doc was made?

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:26 AM

the best thing we can do is keep compiling feedback

no idea

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:27 AM

like july-august

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:31 AM

@tougeFS

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:35 AM

perfect

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:35 AM

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/646804808157888523/769720694623567952/unknown.png?width=472&height=676

steph just posted this in mod chat

im gonna ask if she wants to join our server

if that's cool with you guys

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:36 AM

go for it

sappho 25-Oct-20 11:41 AM

why is it green

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:42 AM

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:44 AM

To make it distinct. I'll change it if you have a better idea. @sappho

sappho 25-Oct-20 11:44 AM

nah its fine

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:44 AM

But yeah, just saw that pin. Yikes.

sappho 25-Oct-20 11:45 AM

higps doesnt even do anything anyway

i dont think hes even really "community manager"

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:45 AM

He removed himself from the role silently

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:45 AM

hello steph

sappho 25-Oct-20 11:46 AM

helo

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:46 AM

Don't know if you saw my comment above.

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:46 AM

he also edited his post in the july 2nd announcement I believe which e said he would be lead balancer

he changed that on the 3rd and that was no longer there

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:47 AM

i'm just mad he lied about the amount of work i contributed

and he's actively made the base game worse

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:49 AM

️

Kaya 25-Oct-20 12:38 PM

So hi, I read everything. (and agree with everything) Took a while for me to be convinced to join but here I am. Now let's save Creators. (after I sleep tho

)

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:02 PM

https://twitter.com/Brohan45/status/1316095062653181954?s=19

Brohan (@Brohan45)

https://t.co/lYOTtShCo3

Likes

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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:38 PM

@tougeFS who are half of these ppl

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oh its moth

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youre just inviting random people in here which is mega cringe

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:41 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

if you want the community to help you maybe you shouldnt be rude

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:42 PM

ah i will definitely listen to the person who checks notes organized several harassment campaigns and has been permabanned twice from the discord (edited)

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:42 PM

???

wut

the fuck are you talking about lol

i havnt organised shit

infact ive been helping creators from the shadows this entire time

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:42 PM

you aint done shit (edited)

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:42 PM

tell that to leia

i see your as stubborn as moonly though, maybe it was a mistake to suggest to leia the walkout (edited)

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:43 PM

this isn't about community

it's about the staff team

i don't know why touge is inviting community members

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:43 PM

because i have a bunch of info on the inner workings of creators and evidence thaat would go in #archive-evidence

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:44 PM

how could you possibly have more info than the person with access to every single aspect of the project

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:44 PM

but if your gonna be rude i can just keep it in the private archive and you can go back to spreaking rumors of me aswell as threatening me in the staff channels (edited)

dont think i dont know about you wanting to ban me from the website (edited)

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:44 PM

yes because you leave troll comments on submissions and blog posts

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:45 PM

god your pathetic (edited)

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:45 PM

???????????

lol

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:45 PM

even after months of me not wanting to associate you still shittalk me

when i only wanted to give feedback and shit

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:45 PM

your feedback is not welcome

you are someone who has been expelled from the community twice

for being a shithead

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:45 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:45 PM

shrug all you want

it's true

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:45 PM

and yet here you are starting shit with me when im trying to help

is it really apropriate for you to do this

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:46 PM

i don't particularly want the help of people who have no perspective or footholds inside the project

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:46 PM

bring up a bunch of drama and shit for no reason for the sole purpose of continuing to bully me

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:46 PM

which is why i was leery of touge having this discord exist in the first place

because he is not a staff member either

even if he should not have been removed as he was

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:46 PM

god i should have just redpilled leia into abandoning the project

if this is how im gonna be treated

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:47 PM

groan

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:47 PM

dont worry ill add all this to the collection of times c.tf staaff members have attempted to bully me

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:47 PM

you are a loser

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:47 PM

oh theres the name calling

god why do you hate me so much i just came here since touge personally invited me

youve never even talked to me

Alibi 25-Oct-20 01:48 PM

Steph, seriously wtf. I know there's bad blood between both of you but you're not making this better.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:48 PM

you think im some kind of troll when you have no fucking clue what went on

you think ive started "harassment" campaigns when in reality all ive been doing is organising community events for my discord server

one which ive been trying to get away from creators for fucking months but people like you and 404 cant fucking stop bringing up

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:48 PM

because all your behavior in the past that i've seen has been negative, towards me, and towards a project i have spent a lot of time on

do you think i am a mind reader?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:49 PM

you act like it when you start saying shit like "you oprganised multiple harassment campaigns" without a fucking clue what your talking about (edited)

Alibi 25-Oct-20 01:49 PM

And I have seen both sides. Can we cut it out with the pettiness.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM

fun fact ive tried to reach out and solve the issue of bad blood

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM

you're right, i should've worded it better, more like "you oversee a community full of members who have been banned from our main community for harassing other members, among other things"

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM

i got told to fuck off

marty harassed people?

when?

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM

feet?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM

i didnt know touge was harassing people

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM

me?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM

damn jenn must be drawing harassment art too

retro is obviously using his sourcemod ties to make harassment games

sappho 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM

god this is a pathetic attempt at undermining shit

i'm going to make a group dm with people who actually have a stake in creators

bye

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:51 PM

almost all of the members arnt banned lol

wow

so

Alibi 25-Oct-20 01:51 PM

Fuck sake.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:51 PM

theyd rather have creators burn to the ground thaan associate with me

when all i wanted to do was help

i didnt start this arguement i just wanted to help ffs

god why are people so petty

these are the people that are supposed to run the project better than moonly huh? (edited)

Vipes 25-Oct-20 01:52 PM

if it helps, I have no opinion of you one way or another, but I wouldn't be surprised if you have a bunch of bad ones about me. people tend to

Alibi 25-Oct-20 01:52 PM

Aaand Steph has me blocked. Wow.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:53 PM

nah vipes your pretty cool

i know you get a lot of shit from like 4chan trolling and shit (edited)

Vipes 25-Oct-20 01:53 PM

that I do

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:53 PM

but from what i know your pretty cool

Vipes 25-Oct-20 01:53 PM

thanks

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:54 PM

i just wanted to help out since touge personally invited me, and i have a good idea of the community. why does steph just fucking talk things out

Alibi 25-Oct-20 01:54 PM

Can we have people here talk and discuss their issues like adults? This is supposed to be a common ground.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:54 PM

instead of starting the name calling and rumours, like a bully, she could like start a proper dialogue

ive tried @Alibi

multiple times

i just get name calling, bullying, and shittalking behind my back

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 01:55 PM

Alright let me get home

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:56 PM

if people would rather ragequit the attempt to save creators than associate with the community theres no hope even under new management

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 01:57 PM

Everyone chill and delete this whole convo @Alibi

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:58 PM

i dont think deleting it is a good idea

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 01:58 PM

About to be home will set shit straight

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:58 PM

point needs to be proven that steph needs to calm the fuck down and have things explained to her about what actually goes on in the larger community

so she can stop with the fucking pettiness ive tried to put behind me months ago

Alibi 25-Oct-20 01:58 PM

this isn't about community This is about the staff team

The two are intertwined. Steph was out of order there no matter the history. (edited)

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:59 PM

yep, the major issue with the project is the lack of community transparency

and to just restructure and go back to ignoring community feedback will kill the project (edited)

god im actually kinda sad shit turned out like this

like i just want to fucking help, but i guess that cant fucking happen can it since i just organise "harassment campaigns" or some shit (edited)

there really is no hope is there

Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:04 PM

I have a bad feeling that everyone here that's either staff or discord staff is going to be cut after what happened. I can't just shake the feeling steph is gonna say something

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 02:04 PM

if steph would rather nuke the project than associate with me

well thats just kinda sad isnt it

to just destroy a project so many people love and enjoy, which ive only tried to help, because of some fucking biases they refused to sort out (edited)

Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:05 PM

I can't comment. I don't keep an eye on the drama, I got people trying to start my own, sorry.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 02:05 PM

its fine

maybe touge can talk some sense into steph and make her realise the game of telephone she used to get all her info on me is fucking wrong

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 02:15 PM

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 02:24 PM

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 02:28 PM

i should point out a few months ago steph DM'd me a fuck ton of insults and just general harassment because of an event that happened in creators, while i was banned and not a part of the community...... so its kinda ironic thaat she said i was harassing people (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:30 PM

IDK if she'll come around, I talked to her and I guess I'll wait for a response

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 02:31 PM

i mean if anything she should be giving me a fucking apology, not only for this but for the MONTHS of harassment and bullying she put me through

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:31 PM

either way I don't care, the community is part of the project and acting like their input is worthless is why we're all here in the first place

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 02:32 PM

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 02:44 PM

I hope we can keep things civil

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:47 PM

hey dickhead

Im a dickhead.

@Moth🦀 I need you to understand that I assumed that you were still a jackass

I am sorry for actin'

as my mom says

"a fool"

It's not ok and I'll take responsibility for being a jackass

Alibi 25-Oct-20 02:47 PM

Thank you @sappho

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:48 PM

whats your pronouns btw moth i dont know because peopel use diferent ones

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 02:48 PM

she/her

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:49 PM

K thank u

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:49 PM

we're still waiting on rob

he and leia spoke earlier

he feels the same way we do, he's just asleep rn

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:49 PM

i'm aiming to become project lead

moonly is founder but he is not lead

and it's frustrating

moonlys a good boy

but i wish we could clone him like 5 times

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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:51 PM

Moonly is incredibly talented but he doesn't need to be in a leadership position

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:52 PM

I also want to see recepits on patreon money

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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:52 PM

I don't care what happens. Ultimately I'd like my position back and would want to be the creative/content director

But as long as the two people who are fucking the project up right now get moved from staff to purely PR

i don't care

Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:52 PM

I don’t think Moonly can take the leadership. Yeah he’s the founder but he seems better working than leading

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:52 PM

vnn doesn't even do pr

his video was dogshit

and i knew that before you sent me it

and his comments on mannpower are just fucking stupid

garbage gamemode

Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:53 PM

None of this would be possible without Moonly but.. man was born to code. Not a figurehead

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:53 PM

that's what ticked this all off

if tf2 gets a fucking

Alibi 25-Oct-20 02:53 PM

From what I heard he didn't even want the role anyway

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:53 PM

mannpower update

i'm going to blow my brains out

Alibi 25-Oct-20 02:53 PM

Which is why GPS stepped in, then silently stepped out just as fast

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:54 PM

wait wrong chat

1

Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:54 PM

If we waste our possible official update on mannpower I’m quitting. That’s it. I want to work on medieval or pass time. The game modes that actually have potential

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:54 PM

ok both of those gamemodes are also poopoo

but less so

ideally valve will port tc2 upstream

Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:54 PM

Well they have potential. I already have ideas for medieval

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:54 PM

but i doubt it

Alibi 25-Oct-20 02:55 PM

If we waste our possible official update on mannpower I’m quitting. That’s it. I want to work on medieval or pass time. The game modes that actually have potential

@Vipes Well.. there's always TeamComtress.

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:55 PM

that is what tc2

is

Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:55 PM

Mannpower has no potential. It’s a mutator hacked from an arena shooter. It not fit for a team based game

1

Alibi 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM

Demoknight with the knockout perk is disgusting.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM

TF2 needs optimization, anticheat/bot fixes, unlock and class balance and some work done to the comp mode

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM

demoknight is digusting

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM

before anything else

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM

if u play demo knight ur gay and i hate u (edited)

and also die

: )

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM

TF2 needs TLC

more content is the last fucking thing it needs rn

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM

did someone say anticheat

Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM

Passtime could use some polish and more maps. The medieval issue is that like 80% of the classes are just useless.

Alibi 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM

But... Dota, Dota, CounterStrike

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 02:57 PM

bots aren't even the biggest issue in casual lol

Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:57 PM

Medieval could be fixed with weapons for it

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:57 PM

The fact that it runs at sub 60 on my rig, the vaccinator and wrangler exist, the in-game comp mode is a fucking mess

and the objectively better pro versions of the maps aren't in the game

1

is beyond stupid

Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:57 PM

Touge. Don’t forget multi core rendering still being broke

1

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:57 PM

its also broken on linux

btw

for srcds (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:58 PM

1

It's not a coincidence that CS and Dota are topping the charts

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:58 PM

amongus

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:58 PM

and if it didn't have meme game popularity PUBG would overtake among us

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:58 PM

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/395105819273723905/762481328339812412/amongUsDance.gif

speaking of which i have a game sesh with friends of amongus

Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:59 PM

Hey. Among Us is actually decent. I’m glad it’s finally getting the love it deserves

sappho 25-Oct-20 02:59 PM

its a great game

love it

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 02:59 PM

this isn't an among us fan-cord

thx

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:59 PM

it's fine but it won't be around in any serious capacity a year from now

1

When we get word from Rob we'll work on a doc

sappho 25-Oct-20 03:00 PM

Why

Where are u going

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:00 PM

?

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:00 PM

That reminds me. Anyone ever find out what VNN was talking about when he said new promotional items were coming?

sappho 25-Oct-20 03:00 PM

oh

"it"

not "i"

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:01 PM

yeah a year from now i'm going to mars

1

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:01 PM

Or was he making shit up again

1

Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:01 PM

Not going to lie I misread that too

That reminds me. Anyone ever find out what VNN was talking about when he said new promotional items were coming?

@Vipes If I vaguely remember, it turned out to be nothing. Though that was ages ago.

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:01 PM

It was this year he mentioned it though

Unless he somehow got word of the canceled halo promo items

And didn’t pay attention to the word “canceled”

tl;dr me and my team were working on promo items. 343/Microsoft said yes. Valve said no (edited)

Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:04 PM

https://twitter.com/ValveNewsNetwor/status/1193990506843389952

Tyler McVicker (@ValveNewsNetwor)

Promo items are coming soon.

Likes

160

1

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:04 PM

And that how come cs:go has halo stickers

Yeah. Have a feeling he’s talking about what I was working on

The time adds up

How he of all people found out I don’t know

Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:05 PM

Not finding any other references to it

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:05 PM

Sup gamers

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:05 PM

does anyone know what timezone rob is?

DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:06 PM

GMT

Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:06 PM

Same as mine

It's currently 4:06am

1

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:06 PM

But yeah. Halo promos were in the works

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:06 PM

Ok no point in staying up for him

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:06 PM

Shame valve took it away from TF2 to shove into cs;go

1

DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:07 PM

Yeah just sleep on it

Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:07 PM

I cannot sleep, for there is much work to be done.

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:07 PM

Halo promos

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:07 PM

Yeah. I was in talks for months with the guys at 343

1

What sucks is that they were very eager and excited. Apparently a lot of them are TF2 fans

DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:08 PM

men and women of culture i see

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:09 PM

But nope. Valve said CS:GO

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:09 PM

Tbh would halo stuff fit into tf2

DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:09 PM

Just like hats and such

I imagine

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:09 PM

Deus Ex promos

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:10 PM

Of course @DeLichte

Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:10 PM

I always asked for this.

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:10 PM

But how would it fit in

Hmm

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:10 PM

The same way the deus ex ones did

DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:10 PM

Im sure they'll just throw more spaghetti on the wall and hope it sticks

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:10 PM

There was a deus ex promo?

1

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:10 PM

death of an artstyle really hitting hard rn ngl

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:11 PM

Did you forget or are you memeing

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:11 PM

a little energy sword bat could have been neat

1

could do a TF2 version of the sniper too

https://content.halocdn.com/media/Default/encyclopedia/weapons/sniper-rifle/sniper-rifle-square-542x542-cd2865cc49d342618ad2c94bfca32231.png

1

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:11 PM

There was a deus ex promo?

@Flourbo

p sure this was one of them right

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:11 PM

The sniper, magnum, flamethrower, and sword were planned

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:11 PM

Ooooo

That looks nice

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM

magnum

dear god yes

@fish hello!

fish 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM

game.

1

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM

ODST helmet allclass. Grunt plushie pal and lastly that one guy’s helmet from Reach for Pyro

DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM

emiles

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM

Yeah

DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM

that would be... sick

woah

Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM

But how would it fit in

@Flourbo https://puu.sh/GGvAF/ff44602d87.png

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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM

Skull dude

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM

Grunt plushie

WHORBY

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM

Maybe a guilty spark sapper kinda like Wheatley sapper (edited)

Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:13 PM

Or guilty spark like a balloonicorn

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:13 PM

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:13 PM

The idea was each game got its own promo. Emile’s helmet was obviously for reach

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:13 PM

ODST helmet allclass

sniper mains when another full-head cosmetic gets added

Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:13 PM

ODST! (edited)

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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:13 PM

How about Terrence hoods hat

DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:13 PM

every noble team character has a tf2 class that correlates

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM

I want hat

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM

CAPPER but like a plasma pistol

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM

Anyway it’s a scrapped pipe dream now

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM

Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM

Oh, speaking of ODST, to those who didn't know this was a thing. The full audio for the live action "We are ODST" trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56cnOkQFRwo&ab_channel=WaterTowerMusic (edited)

WaterTower Music

King Arthur Official Soundtrack | The Politics & The Life - Daniel ...

Official Version: The Politics & The Life By: Daniel Pemberton & Gareth Williams Available NOW: https://lnk.to/kingarthurID Subscribe to WaterTower Music on YouTube: http://bit.ly/WaterTowerSub Listen to more from King Arthur: Legend of the Sword: https://www.youtube.com/pla...

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM

Thanks to valve

1

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM

ok the all class helmet would be awful

1

but everything else sounds ok

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM

stop making all-class cosmetics ffs

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:15 PM

like an all class elite plush could be cute

but that's it

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:15 PM

aren't the mercs supposed to have "identity"

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:15 PM

or a little pocket grunt

1

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:15 PM

The grunt plushie was gonna be based on the classic cute looking ones

Anyway I derailed chat enough

sappho 25-Oct-20 03:17 PM

i want a plushie

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:17 PM

sappho 25-Oct-20 03:18 PM

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:20 PM

Medic, don't turn heavy into marketable vinyl figure!

[muffled screaming]

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:36 PM

see technically speaking

we have no evidence touge doesn't touch kids

so basically confirmed pedo

fish 25-Oct-20 03:36 PM

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:36 PM

Technically that makes me a pedo

fish 25-Oct-20 03:37 PM

yes

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:37 PM

Since there’s no evidence

fish 25-Oct-20 03:37 PM

we are all pedos

guilty until proven innocent is truly the greatest philosophy

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:37 PM

Actually no wait

I’m a virgin, proof found

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:38 PM

Can you prove you’re a virgin?

checkmate

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:38 PM

I go on reddit

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:38 PM

Damn. You got me

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:38 PM

Only proof

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:38 PM

Can you prove you’re a virgin?

No.

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:38 PM

Suilla is too chad

1

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 03:38 PM

time for suilla to bring up his sub ex

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:39 PM

ok that's for mb.tf not here

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:39 PM

I’m starting to think c.tf is a drama

you’d watch at the theatre

It actually could be now that I think about it

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 03:41 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:41 PM

That's basically what I've been doing tbh

I have not been involved with anything for the most part

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:41 PM

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:41 PM

please don't shit post here though

try to keep it semi serious

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:41 PM

I don’t play tf2 so I don’t care about tf2 drama

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:41 PM

except for being a little edgy very early on and getting the bad-boy paddle from mods 2-3 times

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:41 PM

Nahhhh

Your fine

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:42 PM

then I just left cause I knew i'd only keep pushing the envelope

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:42 PM

Bruh I just stepped outside and there’s a hurricane

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:42 PM

be safe!

Your fine

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 03:43 PM

roy moment tbh

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:43 PM

Well are you no longer like that

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:43 PM

thank god

yes

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:43 PM

Then I see no problem

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 03:44 PM

instead ive fempilled him into being a wittol femboye

fish 25-Oct-20 03:44 PM

perish.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 03:44 PM

fish has seen the pics

you know its true

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:46 PM

Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:47 PM

do I want to know?

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:47 PM

maybe

fish 25-Oct-20 03:49 PM

no.

unless...

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:21 PM

it feels so peaceful here

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:22 PM

i hope yall will support me in trying to become proj lead (edited)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:23 PM

i will all the way steph

❤️

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:34 PM

what's your ideas for proj lead? @sappho

like responsibilities and direction you want to take stuff in

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:35 PM

wouldnt you like to know

i'm gonna add new staff members

and take stock of the current ones and see if anyone doesnt need to be there

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:36 PM

Sound reasonable

I want a design director role ultimately.

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:38 PM

design ur mom lol

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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:39 PM

I've basically already become the design director considering I picked the Halloween maps and I'm not even on the project

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:39 PM

we'll see

Chill

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:39 PM

How did Leia end up in charge of maps anyways?

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:39 PM

they should not have

i do not know

this update was a cluster

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:41 PM

is the workflow still unorganized

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:41 PM

of course

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:42 PM

we could have had a simple soldier update instead of 2 mediocre ones

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:42 PM

i mostly just jerk off in the corner testing anticheat on random servers

1

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:42 PM

but nope

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:42 PM

and also making sure the website and servers doesnt explode (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:43 PM

have there been any talks of retiring some content?

the map pool seems obscenely bloated

1

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM

moonly doesnt want to remove certain maps

i wanted to delete synthetic like

1

months ago

but he was like

No We Have Contracts (edited)

for synthetic

so

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM

no

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM

hypothetically

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM

that map sucks dick

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM

if balance mod servers were to get the can

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM

lots of maps in the rotation are just awful (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM

could those not just become legacy servers?

with the content from previous updates

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM

they're not ours

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM

ah

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM

can i say something

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM

go for it

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM

im thinking about resigning from the mod team

1

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM

is there room within the budget for legacy servers?

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM

why zon

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM

well

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM

you should do what you feel is right, although with your contributions you should be a staff member realistically

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM

i just dont feel like i belong anymore and i feel everyone hates me

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM

that's not true

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM

i like you

Ivory 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM

wait what

What gives you that idea

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM

just talking with people

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM

i just dont feel like i belong anymore and i feel everyone hates me

@ZoNiCaL Yeah, what gives you that idea?

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM

and my crushed dreams obviously (edited)

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM

lol wtf in my opinion you're one of the best mods

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM

moonly awake

1

Ivory 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM

You mean like community members not liking you? or other staff members/mods

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM

like i seem so desperate to join the team and it just annoys people

staff

Ivory 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM

I don't think anyone on staff dislikes you?

Never really seemed like it, at least

You do a fine job

2

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM

i HATe you zon

1

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM

steph

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM

you are small and australian

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM

honestly

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM

I was just confused as to why you weren't staff

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM

it doesnt help

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM

a

well im obviously joshin ya

youre cool

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM

like really right now im having a panic attack and im on the verge of tears

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:47 PM

ok well

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:47 PM

like i seem so desperate to join the team and it just annoys people

@ZoNiCaL This is not an issue with you, this is an issue with the current team, which will hopefully be resolved sooner rather than later.

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:47 PM

don't do that

zon try square breathing

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:47 PM

once again steph displaying impeccable professionalism like a prospective project lead should

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:47 PM

i am allowed to have fun

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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:47 PM

@ZoNiCaL Everyone here likes you, I've always respected you

1

even if we don't see eye to eye on a lot of things you do a lot of good work

and you're always really respectful of others

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Ivory 25-Oct-20 04:48 PM

^

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:48 PM

i understand you not wanting to moderate

realistically no one wants to do that

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:48 PM

i want to but my mind is just shit

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:48 PM

but i definitely think you contribute a lot

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:48 PM

well whatever i contribute hasnt gone anywhere

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:48 PM

Yeah I think you're pleasant and I think it's cool how much you've brought to c.tf tbh

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:49 PM

Because for some inexplicable reason you're not on staff

even though you should be

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Ivory 25-Oct-20 04:49 PM

Honestly I'd kinda like to see you and Kaya be like, official event organizers or smthn

Y'all do a lot with the events server already

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:49 PM

well whatever i contribute hasnt gone anywhere

@ZoNiCaL Do I need to remind you of why you are mod in the first place? The Discord would have gone to hell long ago if you hadn't held the line.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:49 PM

i mean the silly servers have barely gone anywhere

like we literally just got our first pr mention

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:49 PM

i mean the silly servers have barely gone anywhere

@ZoNiCaL Once again, not your fault.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:50 PM

and moonly promised to put them on the server list and hasnt

Ivory 25-Oct-20 04:50 PM

Things take time

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:50 PM

yes but this was promised ages ago

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:50 PM

Once again.. not your fault.

The very reason we are all here.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:50 PM

and im never going to be suited really for anything else

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:51 PM

Server management is incredibly valuable

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:51 PM

and im never going to be suited really for anything else

Says who? (edited)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:51 PM

says me trying to join the team

'now here we go again with zon'

but i was never given any form of response back

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:51 PM

Which mutiple people, even outside of this discord, have agreed should have happened.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:51 PM

and i told moonly how i really felt about it and it essentially went to "tough shit im busy"

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:52 PM

that's why we're all here

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:52 PM

moonly is uh

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:52 PM

Which.. isn't your fault.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:52 PM

we're trying to rectify these issues (edited)

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:52 PM

Your contributions leading to nothing is not down to you doing anything wrong, it's down to the way the current system is handled, which is why this discord exists in the first place.

If change happens, you'll see your contributions take on a lot more meaning, I can promise you that. (edited)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM

well now i better hope it does

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM

Cause in point, the Wiki is STILL down

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM

honestly

fuck the wiki

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM

Why?

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM

i dont really see any point in it anymore

marty 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM

as someone who worked on the wiki, yes

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM

hallo marty

marty 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM

hoy

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 04:55 PM

matin is in

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:55 PM

i am having a delicate conversation with master moonly rn

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marty 25-Oct-20 04:55 PM

swag

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:55 PM

The wiki just needs to be set so that trusted members can edit it. It's still a great place to understand and learn from.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:55 PM

anyways

i've been talking to retr0

im not gonna actually resign

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:55 PM

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:55 PM

And to document the launcher, and it's instructions (That I wrote up)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:56 PM

but right now i've temporarily left the main server

because i cant focus on my break

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:56 PM

that's understandable tbh

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:56 PM

im still gonna be around here because im campaigning for change

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:56 PM

Take all the time you need. I know you said you were doing other stuff too

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:56 PM

ive also left the dev server as there's no point of me being there anymore

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:57 PM

Also, question for those in the dev server. Why is it so disorganised?

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:57 PM

idk

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:57 PM

Or is that just because I have no roles

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:57 PM

it just seems like a clusterfuck to me (edited)

there's members from like 20 different communities

i thought it was a creators.tf dev server

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 04:58 PM

i mean having people from projects like potato makes sense

considering the collab thats aparently still happing

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:58 PM

there's people from like tfconnect there

and like other places

like idk wtf they're doing there

sappho 25-Oct-20 04:58 PM

hey why do u guys hate higps again

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:58 PM

if moonly wants to join and talk he's more than welcome

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:58 PM

i hate him because he completely fucking blew off the discord with that @here riot

Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:58 PM

Hate is a strong word (For me), but there's various reasons. (edited)

Ivory 25-Oct-20 04:59 PM

I just don't know what his significance is other than balance mod

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:59 PM

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/728405000900050954/769687427206873138/unknown.png

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:59 PM

he hasn't done anything significant, his weapon designs are stat swaps, he's been incredibly rude towards the community

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:59 PM

hey why do u guys hate higps again

@sappho #gps-discussion

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:59 PM

one of these was me

and i chewed him out

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:59 PM

he seems to not have any interest in the project other than pushing balance mod

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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:59 PM

and he didnt care

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:59 PM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/769684236525371434/769685351282245632/unknown.png

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728405000900050954/769661807224422421/unknown.png

here's his last actual message

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/769684236525371434/769687291308146698/unknown.png

and he literally does not understand the games design

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:00 PM

he seems to not have any interest in the project other than pushing balance mod

@tougeFSpov: you pretend to care for the project then ghost the entire thing right after sending this message

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:00 PM

Also, GPS is not well liked in the server in general due to his abrupt rein as community manager, then silence, then stepping down without notice.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:00 PM

when someone thinks that generalists and specialists only applies to comp

when the dev commentary literally talks about it

that's not someone who needs to be in charge of balance

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:01 PM

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/IKZY2hZ3X0OBwkpEOHNPsIZTMLy1lRvGVLHklVUpXsg/https/puu.sh/GGvGP/d647bfd109.png

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:01 PM

yea the fact that he was used as a scape goat for the touge incident, then there was never an official statement of that, ruined his rep (edited)

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:01 PM

This decision was never popular, and never resolved.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:01 PM

and then apparently this organisation never went anywhere

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:02 PM

like the closest to an official statement was zon saying stuff that might be true because he was digging

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:02 PM

on top of that

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:02 PM

but even then its not much

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:02 PM

when i went to just discuss balance

and philosophy on the game

he just didn't really care

at all

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:02 PM

He wants nothing to do with the community, and he's not spoken for months in chat.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:02 PM

@sappho did you guys actually have any weapon ideas for this update?

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:02 PM

several

all suggested by me

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:03 PM

I think the current weapons need looking at again.

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:03 PM

not for this update specifically

just in general

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:03 PM

and where did they go

and did higps cancel any of them

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:03 PM

they never materialized and no

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:03 PM

ah

mk nvm then

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:03 PM

actually ivory made the lg

but its buggy

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:03 PM

I was kinda hoping to actually help with weapon attributes and whatnot

Kinda what Moonly originally brought me on for

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:04 PM

not her fault ftr

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:04 PM

i honestly feel like

LG should come

at a point when the project has community faith

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:04 PM

LG isn't really possible unless there's a way to hide tracers

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:04 PM

if it got added before then i honestly think something that radical would kill it

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:04 PM

Ray traces in sourcemod aren't lag compensated so it's buggy as shit

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:04 PM

even if it's a good addition

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

mfw someone complains about us not making weapons in sourcepawn, the worst language ever created:

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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

i wish we had a lot more weapons but fair nuff

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

I love making weapons in sourcepawn

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

add a demo market gardener

and we'll talk

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

But all my weapons are balanced around FF2

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

fucking do it

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

Anyways, if moonly wants to talk he's free to join

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

i want more weapons

lmao

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

I want to add one so badly

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

>demo market gardener

no thank you

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

lol

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

can we just have an "Arms Race" update where we add like 10 new weapons

and zero cosmetics

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

nope

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

yeah that's a no from me chief

marty 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

mfw someone complains about us not making weapons in sourcepawn, the worst language ever created:

eh, it was more of a "we had the last good weapons in april, just pleeees" thingy

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM

we're adding the demo market gardener

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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

lol

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

i don't want the class that can fly at fucking mach 10000000000000000000000000000000

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

its too late

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

to have that

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

ive already added it

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

new weapons dont mean good content @ZoNiCaL

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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

Demo market gardener would be fun as shit

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

As a spymain, I declare that demoman should have a version of the manntreds

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

hahaha true

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

:)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

but it would be nice to have some new ones

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

for the demo

everyone else would just be annoyed

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

just adding new weapons to tf2 doesn't fix literally anything and just perpetuates the same issues

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

give demo a glock

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

game bloat (edited)

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

i think it would be better to rework the current ones than to add more bloat

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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

imagine being a med and trying to not die to that bullshit

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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

like reworked to the point where theyre basically new weapons

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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

double sticky jumper garden

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

give demo a glock

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM

give demo a glock

I did this

It's dumb

lmao

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM

also demo market gardener caber go brrr

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM

Still, active discussion around the weapons from staff, and dedicated staff members who can actually do their job to research into this... would be a step up

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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM

any form of transparency regarding weapon development is a must (edited)

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM

I'd also like to add min viewmodel support for custom weapons but for some reason we don't want to?

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM

yeah like

wtf

and thats a requested feature

i thought you just "couldn't" do it

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM

It's very easy

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM

add min viewmodel support for custom weapons

dear god please yes

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM

Who's decision was it not to?

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM

All my custom weapons on my server have min viewmodel support

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All it requires is preserving attributes on the base weapon (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM

i just want a soldier melee that compliments banners

2

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM

rat

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM

just let me beat people to death with a giant American flag

1

2

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM

glad to see moonly taking this seriously

1

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM

go play fallout new vegas

he just woke up[

marty 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM

rat

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM

implying i haven't played it a million times already

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM

post this rat

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM

rat

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:09 PM

I don't think he understands the implication, though you didn't really say it clearly Steph

1

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:09 PM

ok well

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:09 PM

the IQ bellcurve

is determined

by your thoughts on Ulysses

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:09 PM

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:09 PM

@Alibi then give me a better explanation

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:09 PM

Also, do y'all think the lighting bugs on custom weapons is worse than having no muzzle flash on them? (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM

i dont even notice muzzle flash

but lighting bugs are going to be horrid

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM

Because I have a fix for the lighting bugs

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM

then fix it

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM

But it breaks all particle attachments

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM

L

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM

I gave it to moonly

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM

i think custom weapons should be at the bottom of the list of priorities tbh

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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM

@sappho I don't know if I should be writing such a thing, but it will need a bit of seriousness behind it.

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM

He implemented it, and higps said to revert it

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM

something something bloat

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM

@sappho Could you show moonly who all is in this server

i really don't think he'll take it seriously unless he sees who is in it

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:11 PM

after that i will deal with tf2 stuff again

do not read the previous 2 messages if under 18. thank you

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:12 PM

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:12 PM

I swear to god if that is the first thing Moonly sees if he joined this server

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:12 PM

post this rat

@「Suilla」

1

marty 25-Oct-20 05:12 PM

this message is rated 18+

1

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:13 PM

1

marty 25-Oct-20 05:13 PM

do we even have 17- ppl here?

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:13 PM

I don't think he'll join, realistically

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:13 PM

trans rat

pog

yeah tbh idk if moonly wants to have that confrontation

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:14 PM

do we even have 17- ppl here?

@marty i mean potentially fish because we dont know his age

no matter how much ive asked him

marty 25-Oct-20 05:14 PM

oh, and dan's 17

iirc

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:15 PM

im 17

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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:15 PM

im stuff

marty 25-Oct-20 05:15 PM

rip

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:15 PM

I'm 24.. God I feel so old..

marty 25-Oct-20 05:15 PM

mfw i'm now in 5 servers that originated in c.tf

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:15 PM

im 17

@ZoNiCaL ngl I would NOT have guessed that

marty 25-Oct-20 05:15 PM

same

i'd have guessed a solid 22

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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:16 PM

lolno

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:16 PM

mfw i'm now in 5 servers that originated in c.tf

@marty a chad mb.tf revolutionist tho

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:16 PM

have you heard my voice

1

i still sound like a squeaker

marty 25-Oct-20 05:16 PM

not really (edited)

i work quite a bit with teenagers, i know what sqeakers sound like

2

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:17 PM

monkaS?

2

marty 25-Oct-20 05:17 PM

and what it feels like to know that a 13 year old will be taller than you in like 3 months

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:17 PM

@marty a chad mb.tf revolutionist tho :SoldierChad:

@「Suilla」 When Moth was asking about how MB could be improved through DM, one of the questions was, "Why did you join" "My main original purpose of joining was in the event the Creators Discord went to shit with drama. This isn't my first rodeo so I knew it would hit the fan eventually, and low and behold it did." (edited)

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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:18 PM

the c.tf discord has been very calm recently

like barely anything has happened

and any "drama" that can start is shut down very quickly

fish 25-Oct-20 05:18 PM

a nice change of pace

1

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:18 PM

I know, this was months ago

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:18 PM

yea and thats why ive spent the past 4 months begging people to just stop associating my server with c.tf (edited)

1

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:18 PM

the last significant thing that happened was @marty 's complaint about #announcements which is fair nuff

and i talked about this in the feedback channel

fish 25-Oct-20 05:18 PM

little better than the constant shitfuck of may-july

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM

Oh no, I give gold stars to how well the Discord has evolved and improved. Just saying that when I joined, I joined MB for a specific reason.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM

ye

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM

is natalie in the mb.tf discord?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM

i just wanted to vent for a second

lolno

fish 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM

no god no

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM

is natalie in the mb.tf discord?

good 1

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM

mbtf is a community and if the people in the community dont like you, then you dont get to join

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fish 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM

we may be a harbor for banned members at this point, but we wouldn’t stoop that low

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:20 PM

its why i had to ban parasite

wiithin the span of a few hours he pissed off every major member and they wanted him gone

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:20 PM

mbtf is a community and if the people in the community dont like you, then you dont get to join

@Moth🦀 ok why is biker still here then

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:20 PM

allthough ironically the only interraction i had with nat was actually really good

so i only have other peoples opinions to go off

fish 25-Oct-20 05:20 PM

he definitely improved at the end of his stay in c.tf

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:20 PM

but nah

anyways

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:20 PM

I never had any bad interactions with natalie

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:20 PM

we shouldnt delve too deep into drama

this is a drama free server after all

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fish 25-Oct-20 05:21 PM

he had like half of the active members of chat blocked @Ivory

although he mostly unblocked them toward the end

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:21 PM

they read homestuck tho so they get +1 point in that regard

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fish 25-Oct-20 05:21 PM

like i said, general positive shift towards the end of his tenure

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:21 PM

I wouldn't say drama free. By very definition this server needs to handle past drama and injustices. There are a few things that need to be put to bed that should have been dealt with long ago.

fish 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM

well nats ship sailed a while ago

so i think it’s fair to stop this drama

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM

you know what i'd want to do if i was on the dev team

make devblogs

fish 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM

yes!

i’ve been asking for dev blogs for ages

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please i beg of you

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM

dev blogs would be interesting

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM

i'd be tyler mcvicker but minus all the bullshit and actually caring about promoting the project

like an ACTUAL journalist

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM

Man, I would love that, and would tie directly into bridging this gorge between the community and the staff

fish 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM

a crazy thought

1

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM

leia tried to do dev blogs a while ago right?

iirc they were denied because people were lazy or something

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:23 PM

dont know

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:23 PM

In fact, I'm adding that to my doc (edited)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:23 PM

i have an idea to do on on the silly servers

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:23 PM

i allready have dev blogs and stuff on my transparency report (edited)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:23 PM

because it's actually neat how much work we've put into setting it up

with all of the gamemodes, plugins, configs and stuff

marty 25-Oct-20 05:24 PM

i can't post this image enough with the title "this is what tf2 players want"

fish 25-Oct-20 05:24 PM

last time i spoke with moonly about the dev blog he was opposed as he believed people would see it and believe anything there was guaranteed to be added

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:24 PM

because we have stuff like this

and this

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:24 PM

i can't post this image enough with the title "this is what tf2 players want"

@marty this too

marty 25-Oct-20 05:24 PM

ye

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM

and we have lots of plugins which are organised into their gamemodes

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=18409 weekly, or bi-weekly blog posts that follow this same format

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM

and they're loaded in on the fly depending on what gamemode we want to play

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM

just telling people whats being worked on

marty 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM

twilight.sex

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM

and general developments in the community

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM

i'd love to write a devblog on how it works

its pretty cool

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fish 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM

tbf may be outdated to his current views

but this was him speaking in the possibility of a dev blog

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

Well.. why can't the blog posts be "Official"? (edited)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

yeah

i dont see why not

fish 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

because that makes them guaranteed to be added

in his view

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

I can sort of understand where he's coming from

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

but like

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

People will see some things and get overly excited

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

we dont have to do anything about "whats in dev"

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

because that makes them guaranteed to be added

@fish That's an assumption and also Valve Logic.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

we could talk about how the economy works

how the api works

fish 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

as in, things in development showcased there may lead people to believe it will 100% be added

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

and if it ends up getting scrapped they'll be left disappointed

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

a good example is the hypixel network

fish 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

i’m not saying it’s what I believe

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

you know the mc server

fish 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

it’s what he told me

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM

they do devblogs on the cool coding shit

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

It's the same reason Valve isn't very vocal about those things

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

like how they manage their skyblock worlds

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

~~hypixel when they ruin skyblock~~

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

and databases

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

and if it ends up getting scrapped they'll be left disappointed

@Ivory This is Valve logic and a slippery slope that has led them to the point they are now.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

i want shit like that

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

like what i do in server-status?

marty 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

exactly

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

yes

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

I mean Valve isn't wrong for it

It makes sense

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

more transparency on what certain members do and the content theyre planning to test or push would be amazing

give people an idea of what people do

fish 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

on the possibility of the dev blog being a channel

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

There's such thing as too much transparency

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

Valve have become so paranoid of saying something then "Dissapointing" people that they've stopped talking completely. This isn't healthy and a serious issue.

marty 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

i've been using ur postings in serverstatus as the example for how staff to community communication should work for basiclaly months

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

i'd love to have @sappho write something about the work they do behind the scenes

fish 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

once again, outdated by 3 months

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

because it's really interesting

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM

i dont wanna be rude, but like, most people only know whaat a few staff members do

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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM

yeah i barely know sometimes either

like there's a fuckton of artists now

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM

like ivory, im sure your cool and all, but i have no clue what youve pushed to the project

because theres no transparency

and people like tyler and moonly want to keep this stuff hidden

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM

also

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM

Yeah I feel roles could be made more clear

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM

not just roles

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM

i see on @Alibi 's doc a thing for a c.tf youtube channel

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM

actual content pushings

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM

i would fucking LOVE to do that

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

like lets say you push some content to test, people should know thata this content is being tested

fish 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

would be a great replacement for VNN

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

rather than it being kept secret till the update drops

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

uhh idk about that

marty 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

only thing i know of ivory is they were surprised strange c.tf weapons weren't actually strange, and bcs i know that ivory knows a lot of custom weapons, that kinda worries me, that guy with lot of custom weapon experience, doesn't have the insight or info to the custom weapons of c.tf

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

If I may drop this in from my doc. Why is this Important? What needs to be understood is that at the root of almost all of TF2 problems is a sheer lack of communication, on both the large and small scale. Valves biggest failure is their lack of communication. While it has given them an immunity of sorts, being petrified of communicating in the event you cannot deliver on your words is NOT healthy. Creators cannot become Valve 2.0. By which I mean, little to no communication of what is planned and no interaction with the community outside big announcements. Creators is in the amazing position to not only fill the silence Valve has given us for years, but also to embrace the opposite philosophy. The Discord is proof of this in action. Through listening to feedback, it has changed and evolved into the place it is today. This philosophy of embracing feedback and implementing changes through interaction with the community is what will lead to the success of Creators as a whole.

fish 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

pushing your own update videos instead of having to rely on him for your exposure

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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

People don't need to see everything we're testing

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

you know

fish 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

not everything

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

maybe not everything, but most things

fish 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

but interesting things

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

we don't have to say "oh we're doing this this and this"

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

like not allowing people transparency with dev is what caused c.tf SF

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM

but you know small updates on progress of things

like just progress on the major updates

fish 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

stuff that builds some hype while reassuring the community that yes, you are working on something worthwhile

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

we dont need stuff on what new features or content there are

just whats happening

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

let people know how far along development on an update is, and whose pushing updates

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

I think it'd be best to include that stuff in dev blogs

fish 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

yes!

that’s the idea!

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

thats the idea

also trello would be cool (edited)

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

I just thought you meant like getting notifications when anything is pushed to the servers

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

like i know a few in development features that havent been released on C.TF yet

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

oh no not that

fish 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

no no not at all

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

Also, we cannot be afraid to disappoint people, or say if something didn't work out.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

you know

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

yeah

fish 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

dev blog is what i’ve been asking for for months man

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

ya that makes a lot more sense then

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

m

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

like it'd be cool if you guys said something on the update

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

nevermind

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

because ngl it was a flop

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

h

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM

and steph has also said this

like you weren't prepared at all for it

fish 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM

moonly appears to be deathly afraid of people thinking dev blog = guarantee of in dev content

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM

>We proposed this idea, but during testing found it isn't possible. We're sorry, but the reason is because X.

fish 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM

^

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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM

the trello was a tiny step in the right direction to being more transparent but it was kinda bad in its implementation

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM

Dev blogs can be good if managed correctly

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM

and you know if you said publicly "you know, we weren't ready for the update and the massive of influx of players, we're sorry"

fish 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM

i really don’t think it’s as big of an issue as he makes it out to be

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM

i have a few ideas for dev blgos

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM

I'd be fully supportive of them

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM

he also appears to be deathly afraid of joining and discussing things like this

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM

like only 4 staff members have access to it, its rarely updated , and it mainly only focuses on side projects

fish 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM

you just need to clarify that no, nothing here is official nor guaranteed

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM

i have access to it now

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM

The community is dying for any form of decent communication.

fish 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM

and if people think it is, too bad!

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM

i can post stuff on the trello

fish 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM

they’re stupid!

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you don’t need to cater to stupid people!

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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM

also why was the trello removed from the discord?

that seems like an odd decision (edited)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM

devblog ideas - silly servers and how they're run - how steph and the server managers do their job - how the servers function and work (might be tied into stephs one but it could be more in depth) - how the creators.tf api/backend works (edited)

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM

you don’t need to cater to ~~stupid people~~ casual players!

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM

@Moth🦀 it wasnt being used

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM

Also, as part of my google doc, one of my key point is that we need to decentralise from Discord.

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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM

well thats more or less staff's fault for not using it properly

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:33 PM

you see how i'm not having anything directly related to new content in my devblogs

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:33 PM

There are MANY people that don't use discord, and many of the amazing bits of work @sappho does isn't seen by people because it's hidden in the Discord.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:33 PM

dev blogs should have info regarding the current state of the next update though

fish 25-Oct-20 05:33 PM

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:33 PM

like

"were planning on testing X maps in the future"

fish 25-Oct-20 05:33 PM

discord shouldn’t be the only option for getting updates on the project

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:33 PM

or a devblog on how they implemented new features

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM

and then you host tests for those mps

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM

like there's a really cool feature that i cant share that's on the staging branch for c.tf

and it'd be cool to have a devblog on how it was made

from both sides because it wasnt just coding

fish 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM

the dream

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM

@Ivory you might know what im talking about

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM

It's down to the role as community manager to not only gather this together, but make sure everything is posted and updated. Right now, the community manger is... VNN.

fish 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM

unfortunately

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM

Is it what I'm working on or..?

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM

OH

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM

you know

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM

yeah lol

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM

yeahhhhhh

fish 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM

That was the first thing I was tasked with

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM

are you still doing that

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM

But I don't think any of my code was used :(

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM

what did he mean by this

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM

No Moonly seems to have taken over with it

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM

cant sayy~

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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM

cant sayy~

@ZoNiCaL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQTp8Ozj1JQ&ab_channel=MillennialDan

Millennial Dan

River Song: Spoilers...

^_^ I don't own this stuff.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM

fun fact i was asking about dev blogs back in april and noone cared

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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM

well

too bad because if i get on the team

thats the first thing im doing

fish 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM

getting back to topic, i definitely think it’s in the best interest to take charge of your own exposure at this point

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM

fun fact i was asking about dev blogs back in april and noone cared

@Moth🦀 that's what you get for being a ringleader of a radical splinter group smh

fish 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM

aka drop vnn, update youtube channel

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM

and then im creating the c.tf youtube channel

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM

assuming you have a project head that isnt going to veto any transparency into the project (edited)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM

steph wants to be lead

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM

or just remove you for making decisions like touge was the first time

fish 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM

ehhhh

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM

wait what do i do

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM

you wanted to be lead

right

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM

i mean in the discord

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM

oh

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM

also yes

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM

server-status

that channel

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM

a

4

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM

it's good

because transparency and communication

we just want that on a much larger scale

is there like a "system messages" thing on c.tf @Ivory @sappho ?

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM

no

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM

Honestly if moonly isn't interested in talking here when he knows there's staff and mods and community members

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM

you know how the tf team (whats left of it) sends out global messages

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM

I really don't see him caring about a doc

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM

that should be a thing

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM

isnt sm_say a thing

or csay

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM

csay (edited)

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM

ya that

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM

we don't have a multi rcon plugin yet

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM

Ah

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM

you can send a global message throughout the servers, twitter, blog, whatever

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM

I think one already exists, actually

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM

like if you wanted to easily say "global maintenance in 10 mins for all game servers"

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM

That lets you communicate with servers from Discord

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM

it can instantly goto the game servers, twitter, and discord

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM

it is a highly requested feature of mine

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM

do it

or well

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM

you do it

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM

do it eventually

lmao

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM

if youre so god damn smart .

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM

im not

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM

< mario image >

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM

Honestly if moonly isn't interested in talking here when he knows there's staff and mods and community members I really don't see him caring about a doc

> @tougeFS this is why i told leia to organise a walkout (edited)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM

noooo

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM

A walkout?

uhh

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM

if you do a walkout it instantly kills the project

and i think we decided against that entirely

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM

walkout as in

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM

Moonly needs to be convinced.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM

"you have a deadline to fix things, if they arnt we walkout"

because lets be honest moonly has had MONTHS to do things at his leisure

he needs a hard deadline to get stuff done

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM

but he's been far too busy for himself

which is why he shouldn't be lead

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM

Thing is, it's less about fixing things and more about delegration.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM

because he's just too damn busy

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM

I mean he's also been really busy the past few months

fish 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM

which is why someone new needs to be lead

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM

which is why part of getting things done include stepping down

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM

convince him to make me proj lead then

fish 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM

glad we agreed on that point lol

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM

All about Delegation.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM

also i want another writer for leia

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM

the whole point of "getting things done" is allowing someone else to herald the project

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM

not me (insert megabastard) because im shit

but leia is just so burnt out writing

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:41 PM

dann tbh

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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:41 PM

they've said this to me several times

and they've got the robotic update to do next

by themselves essentially

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:41 PM

i mean right now no one is going to convince him of anything

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:41 PM

yea i feel really sorry for leia, theyve been under so much stress

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:41 PM

because he doesn't seem to be interested in talking

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:41 PM

hence the do or die deadline touge

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:41 PM

but that creates unwanted tension

and it feels like a coup

which is not what we want

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM

because he doesn't seem to be interested in talking

@tougeFS Well, his only formal request has been Steph

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM

I think a walkout is being overly dramatic

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM

He needs to be told directly

seriously

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM

ok

why dont we organise a meeting with him

fish 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM

only staff have been in a good position for that

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM

if he refuses to listen to this next batch of mass feedback then what other option do you have (edited)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM

we can all show up if possible and provide our main and key points

fish 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM

and only now do we have a chance with a direct talk between staff

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM

he allready wanted to blow off the september feedback doc leia posted to january (their words)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM

leia said to me (and @sappho or @Ivory you'll need to confirm) that they're not really looking at any of that feedback until 2021 (edited)

fish 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM

yep

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM

she told me that too

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM

which pissed me the fuck off

fish 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM

also what they told us

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM

Zon and Ivory have spoke to him

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM

like that made me so furious

fish 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM

agreed

pushing the feedback that far is such a slap in the face

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM

when you push the september feedback to fucking january because muh schedule

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-engineer-what-gif-13604536

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:44 PM

honestly

i get scheduling is a good thing

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:44 PM

if moonly just blows off your mass feeedback again, dont really see any option other than giving him a deadline

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:44 PM

but it feels like the team is just going update, update, update, feedback, update, update, update

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:44 PM

I kind of agree with moth on that one

if he refuses to talk

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:44 PM

like hes had months to do stuff on his leisure

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:44 PM

or just pushes it back to fucking January

at that point it's give an ultimatum or the project continues to slowly die

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:45 PM

he wants to take it slow while the project is on fire and the playerbase is bleeding, you wont have time to try and wait for him to finish this years update plan (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:45 PM

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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:45 PM

Someone with authority needs to tell him in a serious way that this is happening.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:45 PM

in new zealand our police board has an independent board of inquiry to determine whether our police did something wrong or illegal

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:45 PM

like it or not this isn't sustainable

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:45 PM

i feel like thats what we should be

an independent board of inquiry into C.TF and how it's run

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:46 PM

Someone with authority needs to tell him in a serious way that this is happening.

@Alibi the only one with authority over him is tyler, and he blows off all criticism as "concern trolling" according to leia (edited)

fish 25-Oct-20 05:46 PM

i think it’d be a much better look to simply push back the upcoming update for december and replace it with a full internal and external overhaul based on feedback

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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:46 PM

yeah

fish 25-Oct-20 05:46 PM

unfortunately, moonly

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:46 PM

like you can still make smissmass

but like robotic cant come now

because there's a lot that needs to be done first

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:46 PM

Would rather this overhaul happens now so that the project can actually live

fish 25-Oct-20 05:46 PM

agreed

might not be a chance for the robotic update if the project bleeds out before then

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM

moonly when he realises tyler isnt going to get him a job at valve

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM

How much time is too much?

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM

a month?

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM

The first time i got removed there was a riot

the second time was worse

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM

moonly when he realises tyler isnt going to get him a job at valve

@Moth🦀 Surely Moonly understands that getting away from VNN will increase his chances right?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM

hes 17 @Alibi

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM

how many months has it been since then?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM

he probably looks up to tyler as role model

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM

who pinged m

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM

How many feedback docs from well respected community members have been ignored?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM

too many

fish 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM

far too many

ridiculous at this point

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM

too many

fish 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM

but we’ve been over this

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM

@sappho dw about it

like i think all of it

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM

Perhaps Rob can break the ice.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM

i dont think a single piece of it has been seriously looked at

correct me if im wrong

fish 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM

we all agree it’s shameful the level of ignorance to community feedback that has been displayed so far

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:49 PM

At that point a walkout makes sense I'm not going to lie

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:49 PM

from what ive been told by leia, almost all feedback docs get negative reception from staff members

like not just moonly but most of the admins of the project at times

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:49 PM

realistically we should be livid

we all ovbiously love TF2

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:49 PM

from what ive been told by leia, almost all feedback docs get negative reception from staff members

@Moth🦀 I highly doubt that, considering I've got many staff straight up agreeing with my doc

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:49 PM

even if you dont accept the feedback

just say you dont

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:49 PM

But I can't say the same about the directors of the biggest TF2 project

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:49 PM

like dont shove it away

not all feedback is obviously good

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:50 PM

It's hard to say someone loves something as community driven as TF2

when they refuse to interact with the community

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:50 PM

(and im not saying ours is bad, it's really good)

but if you dont want to change

just say so

it's more final then being left in the void

fish 25-Oct-20 05:50 PM

once again, please stop following the poor example of valve

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:50 PM

The Discord has evolved and improved because it was allowed too.

fish 25-Oct-20 05:51 PM

the irony of a community project based entirely around correcting valves mistakes before falling right into the same communication traps as them is a little much too handle when it could be so easily avoided (edited)

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:51 PM

once again, please stop following the poor example of valve

@fish ive been saying this since april and noone listened

fish 25-Oct-20 05:51 PM

as has been said 10000 times, communication is KEY (edited)

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:51 PM

its do or die time for creators

fish 25-Oct-20 05:51 PM

we all have

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:51 PM

either the change happens or the project is done for

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:51 PM

the irony of a community project based entirely around correcting valves mistakes before falling right into the same communication traps as them is a little much to handle when it could be so easily avoided

@fish I believe this is down to VNN's influence, as he agrees with Valve's philosophy of "Silence is golden"

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM

silence is only golden if you have really private stuff you dont want to share

fish 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM

which is a shit philosophy

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM

Honestly

I think everyone needs to put pressure on him to talk

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM

thats the point of a deadline

fish 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM

kind of what we’re trying to do right now

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM

Silence is golden only applies to specific cases. And not when interacting with your community.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM

If everyone is saying you need to talk to us we want to know what is going on

He can't ignore it

fish 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM

that’s what i think our first step should be

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM

i think there should be a fine line between "being transparent" and "not leaking every single thing you're working on"

fish 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM

we have a great opportunity to get the staff together here and have them talk with moonly about the grievances of the community

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM

when it becomes relevant it should be talked about openly

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM

blog posts and testing servers solve those issues @ZoNiCaL

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM

^

like if we have new weapons we want tested

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM

why not just replace the balmod section with testing servers

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM

they dont need to be known about until we need them tested

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM

do what overwatch does

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM

and you know actually test them

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM

have a separate group

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM

oh yeah

can we just remove balance mod

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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM

Well, all of this talking is moot if we don't get Moonly in here.. So.. who's going to get Moonly in here?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM

with an update a few days or weeks before its launched

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM

ive sent a message to him

no response

he's offline it looks like

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:54 PM

i cant message him since hed be like WH

fish 25-Oct-20 05:54 PM

yes when we behead GPS we can drop balance mod too, grand idea (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:54 PM

steph zon and ivory have messaged him

0 response other than rat

2

AFAIK

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:54 PM

It is rather early

fish 25-Oct-20 05:54 PM

it definitely needs to be a full staff meeting

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:54 PM

mhmm

like i want this discussion to happen first

fish 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM

get everyone together and sit moonly down in a call (edited)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM

then a snap meeting with all staff

including tyler and higps

fish 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM

agreed

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM

and tyler should seriously prove why he should stay

fish 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM

they need to be there as well

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM

because no matter how much we hate him

fish 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM

^

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM

touge should be there too imo, since hes the one heading this entire stuff

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM

he still deserves a seat at the meeting

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM

Preferably recorded for the record.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM

and he should have his voice heard

like we cant just say "fuck you" and boot him

fish 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

well...

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

Preferably recorded for the record.

@Alibi that should be a given, if they just act rude and blow this off then the project is done and it should be released to show the people that this is who runs it

fish 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

it would be fitting to do that

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

but it's wrong

fish 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

yes

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

We can't do shit given that moonly won't even talk to people here lmao

fish 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

obv lol

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

i mean if you need be you can just do the "3 person vote" if he refuses to step down

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

yeah

we can just vote him out

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

We cannot, and should not, stoop to that level, or we might as well abandon this now.

fish 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

yes

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

and if he doesnt listen to the vote

fish 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

i was trying to be funny but i fail to remember time and time again i am not

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

we cant force him to leave unless he doesn't budge and if it's done in a fair way

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

I mean

fish 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

he did attempt to vote me out

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM

then it should be publically shown as him trying to make a power play

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM

mhmmn

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM

and vetoing the decision of the mod team

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM

we can just remove his ptero access and all of his rights

fun fact

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM

since thats what it would be

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/consequentialism/ @Alibi

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM

he has full ptero access AFAIK

like

wtf

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM

if he decides to veto a vote against him, then hes making a power play

fish 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM

yes because for some reason he needs dev access to report on updates

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM

also who the fuck OK'd a minor being in charge of patreon funds

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM

who

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM

lmao

fish 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM

tyler

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM

@sappho does tyler have ptero access?

i was told he does

i know he has admin on stuff like the testing servers

because he's shown it on stream before (not ptero)

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM

no?

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM

???

okay then now i have more questions

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM

Who ever said Tyler has access to any of that

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM

does ptero mean patreon or?

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM

moonly and i have full access to everything period

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM

i cant remember but i definitely was told that

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM

rob nano retr0 and ivory have ptero admin (edited)

+ moonly and i obvs

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM

I suppose a good question to ask, should it come down to it.. what powers do we actually have?

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM

@Moth🦀 pterodactyl, what we run our servers and stuff on (edited)

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM

ah

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM

or well

the panel at least

@Alibi the community should have the voice and feedback

fish 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

the overwhelming voice of a community being tired of ignorance @Alibi

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

the staff should have the power to remove

and vote

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

also inb4 he just tried to cause damage when hes kicked out

because remember

Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

No.. I am talking.. Nuclear option.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

"any project that doesnt have me is going to fail" - tyler mcvicker

fish 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

no more riots

please

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

yeah

please

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

will yall chill

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

Wait

sappho 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

we're having a staff meeting tomorrow

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

wait

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

do yall just outright want Moonly removed?

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

no

fish 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

no

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

we're talking tyler

Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM

OH

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

moonly is all good

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

No moonly is a good kid

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

No one wants moonly removed

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

i love moonly

fish 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

i don’t want moonly removed

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

Hell no, Moonly has done amazing work.

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

he does so much

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

moonly needs to be a programmer

Ivory 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

I was gonna say

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

but not a leader

Ivory 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

lol

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

that's it though

fish 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

just step down as the lead

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

what will likely occur is tyler and higps will be delegated to partner roles

1

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

as opposed to staff

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

VNN and GPS need the boot though

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

moonly is good at what he does, which is coding and dev, not running the project

fish 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

^

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

and I deserve my role restored

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

i just dont want tyler as a full team member anymore

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

we'll see

fish 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

he is a great team member he just isn’t fit for running the entire project

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

return of the touge

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

im fine with him being a "partner"

fish 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

especially with tyler’s influence weighing in him

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

but nothing more

fish 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

*on

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

dont weirdchamp me u lil goblins

smh...

fish 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

No.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM

he sould have the same access any journalist would have to a dev team

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

^

and thats it

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

which is no backroom access and only be given info thats agreed upon

fish 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

agreed

he doesn’t need behind the scenes

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

i hope that we'll see isn't about my role being restored

fish 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

causes unnecessary issues

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

he wants to be a journalist, maaybe he should finally start acting like one

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

it is

we'll see

chill

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

considering the community fucking melted both times i was removed

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

yall wanna take it at

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

chill

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

a billion miles an hour

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

guys

steph is right

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

I suppose we could write a simple "List of demands"

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

just

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

we need to be patient

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

Relax.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

he can start by removing the conflict of interest he has by reporting on creators while also being a staff member

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

guys

chill

fish 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

we’re just getting a plan together for some objectives

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM

steph is right

we're going too fast

fish 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM

we’re starting with “sit moonly down”

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM

yes

fish 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM

this is the beginning

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM

thats what we want to do

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM

so anyway present me a reasonable document i can read off of tomorrow (sunday) at the staff meeting

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM

ok

im writing it

fish 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM

we aren’t trying to do all of the things we are discussing rn at once

just spitballing opportunities

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM

im already writing something

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM

im writing it

@ZoNiCaL Make it a google doc so we can all contribute

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM

everyone give me literally everything

1 sec

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM

-vnn and gps are removed from staff and put on PR/vid content

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM

Post it in #feedback-docs

fish 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM

i can’t work on it rn

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM

-transparency with the community

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM

ill post it here and there

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM

-i have my role restored

that's it

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t_SeYtZ4rNPgNAzOeYQg-oREorPf02FB0xCHbPmhlec/edit?usp=sharing

Creators.TF letter to the dev team.

Dear members of the development team for Creators.TF. PREAMBLE The internet pulls us into many strange places sometimes. If you were to show a human 50 years ago what the modern digital age looks like today, it would probably cause sensory overload and it’ll kill them. On tha...

pin plz

fish 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM

yeah those are the major points for now

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM

-vnn and gps are removed from staff and put on PR/vid content

@tougeFS VNN doesn't even do "Vid" content, and after that last display of giving a literal shit, why would we want him to continue?

Pinned a message.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM

because moonly isn't going to boot him

fish 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM

we don’t!

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM

since he thinks he'll get a job at valve thru him

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM

fyi

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM

holy fuck

fish 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM

bruh.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM

fish 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM

come on man

lmao

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM

ok first off

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725233691588165732/769805617128275978/IMG_20201025_081233.jpg

fyi (edited)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM

im glad tyler took it down

but bruh it was too late

he did something

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM

"Yep"

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM

but that doesnt restore my faith in him

like 1% maybe

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM

Incredible response

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM

remaking the video doesnt solve the issues hes brought to the team

fish 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM

“not to be rude, but it was awful”

1

well...

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:05 PM

okay

im going to organise categories on everything we want covered (edited)

and then everyone pick a section and write

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:05 PM

the list is simple

all that needs to be done is the evidence needs to be compiled

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:06 PM

but i want your stories in their too

i want all of us to be in there

this is a letter going to the team

its got to mean something

thats why i wrote the preamble as it is

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:07 PM

Can make direct links to the other docs

fish 25-Oct-20 06:07 PM

marty’s input might as well be the links to all of the documents he made

(that were inevitably ignored)

perfect example

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:08 PM

Thing is, a lot of this can be dealt with after the restructure has been done.

fish 25-Oct-20 06:08 PM

yes

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:08 PM

It's the main points that need to be stressed here

fish 25-Oct-20 06:08 PM

restructure is the most important issue here currently

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:08 PM

tyler when he tries to "defend" the trans community despite multiple members of the trans and lgbt community disliking what he did (edited)

fish 25-Oct-20 06:08 PM

everything else comes after

but first we need a team in working order and lead properly

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:09 PM

one someone who isnt moonly is given project head, then things can go slowly

fish 25-Oct-20 06:09 PM

then we can get a team directed towards newer goals

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:09 PM

because if someone else can make the decisions theres more of a change of them happing than if we rely on moonly to do it on his own time

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:11 PM

I want a section about my removal

It was wrong, it was against the vast majority of the communities wishes

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:11 PM

touges removal and the lasting effects it caused on the project

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:11 PM

and realistically it's what started all this shit

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:12 PM

ironically the that techncally started this downfall was some random on twitter thinking marty was a staff member

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:12 PM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/769684236525371434/769685351282245632/unknown.png

If i need remind anyone

「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 06:12 PM

Lol

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:12 PM

if there wasnt lot of attention brought onto the twitter "cancelling" then noone would have known or cared

instead it was kind of the Streisand effect

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:13 PM

1

my current list

anything i should put in

fish 25-Oct-20 06:14 PM

6. Drama

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:14 PM

yes

we're covering it for the sake of completeness

fish 25-Oct-20 06:14 PM

very excited to open up those cans of worms again

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

i feel like there should be at least a part involving how staff should be upheld to the rules on the same level as a regular member

fish 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

actually think tub of worms would be better to describe those clusterfucks

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

they are now

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

They mostly are.

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

what about the jonathon blackout

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

i.e when a staff member breaks the rules and get banned they arnt just veto'd and unbanned (edited)

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

no

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

cough404cough

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

404 was banned

he's now perm banned from the discord

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

yea and then unbanned a few days later

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

no

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

i spend all damn night fixing the backend im gonna post anime poggers gifs whenever tf i want

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

he's like fully banned now

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

https://tenor.com/view/anime-poggers-sound-of-poggers-poggers-anime-yuru-yuri-gif-18409324

2

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

yea after months of rule breaking (edited)

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

also yes 404 was permad

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM

yeah and that was stupid of us

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM

he was annoying

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM

i've brought it up to moonly like twice

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM

Besides, 404 quit TF2 altogether

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM

and he shrugged it off (edited)

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM

quite frankly

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM

i wanted to yeet him after he said he'd dropkick me on his alt

fish 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM

once again, should’ve happened far sooner

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM

when 404 went onto the knockout thread and started shittalking people as a c.tf representataive to the point of being banned from the thread, he should have been removed (edited)

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM

also for the jonathan blackout, this is kinda when the project started to go downhill

anyways

if you're on the doc

feel free to take a section and start

i doubt we can get it all done

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:17 PM

ill probably do shit in regards to transparency

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:17 PM

what specifically happened with jon

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:17 PM

as thts the issue ive pushed for for months on end

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:17 PM

is it anything i dont know about

wym blackout

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:17 PM

he pulled everything down

remember

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:17 PM

when he left the project and took the servers offline @sappho

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:17 PM

thats just my title for it

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:18 PM

a

i fuckin hated that guy

he was a total dipshit

fish 25-Oct-20 06:18 PM

fantastic.

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:18 PM

"actually its censorship to prevent me from saying the n word"

what a fuckin load

fish 25-Oct-20 06:18 PM

i’m sure the drama section won’t be a major issue at all

what.

perdón?

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:18 PM

you heard me

fish 25-Oct-20 06:18 PM

i unfortunately did

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM

@sappho you would have been really confused by MW2 lobbies lmao

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM

it was obviously more complicated than that but i told him "stop saying the word faggot in the dev discord please" and he ragequit

fish 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM

and i’m not quite sure what to make of whatever i just read (edited)

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM

wym touge

what do u need explained

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM

the amount of times i got called a racial slur that i dont even belong to by a member of that racial group

was astounding

fish 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM

it was beautiful

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM

i know

fish 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM

is what it was

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM

but we can do better

we are doing better

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM

What happens when there's no moderation or moderation control.

Causal

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM

im gonna setup all of the sections in the doc

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM

yeah, casual, where i get instakicked for having a female name

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM

it would be really good if you did as much as possible

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM

not even joking

fish 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM

i can’t really contribute rn

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM

idk there's something special about those 3 am guys calling you all sorts of shit while there's bong rips and vacuum cleaners and their moms yelling in the back

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM

@sappho is there a time for the meeting

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM

not yet

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM

reminds me of home

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM

also nunya

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM

mk

fish 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM

was about to go to sleep before this all happened but now i’m here

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM

im gonna probably write some more tonight if i have time or in the morning

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:22 PM

i'd say i'd like to be in the meeting considering what happened and that I was the one who set this whole thing in motion

but i already know what response i'll get

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:22 PM

i see like four of y'all on it get goin'

ok it's all setup

get to work

fish 25-Oct-20 06:25 PM

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:25 PM

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:25 PM

try and stick to each of the subsections

and if you want to add extra points do so

just write a paragraph or two on the point

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:26 PM

This will need some cleanup afterwards. I suggest typing in a certain colour to distinguish your comments

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:26 PM

mk math time now

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:27 PM

Surely they will read this feedback doc!

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:27 PM

steph is going to present it next meeting

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:27 PM

It will, because it will be read in the team meeting

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:27 PM

thats why i want you to all write it like now

so get writing

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:28 PM

and if it doesnt work what then

are you going to go with the walkout deadline?

because thats really your only option

sappho 25-Oct-20 06:28 PM

i dont wanna walkout

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:28 PM

to put pressure on the project

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:28 PM

we'll see

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:28 PM

otherwise itll get blown off like every other piece of feedback

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:28 PM

just get writing plz pl0x

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t_SeYtZ4rNPgNAzOeYQg-oREorPf02FB0xCHbPmhlec/edit

Creators.TF letter to the dev team.

Dear members of the development team for Creators.TF. PREAMBLE The internet pulls us into many strange places sometimes. If you were to show a human 50 years ago what the modern digital age looks like today, it would probably cause sensory overload and it’ll kill them. On tha...

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:29 PM

There are other staff that could help that are not in here

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:29 PM

if you need to grab things from other docs then do it

just get it all in one place

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:29 PM

#feedback-docs

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:29 PM

zon this isnt really a "well see" moment this is do or die, things need to be concrete with what your going to do

you cant just halfass this

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:29 PM

i know

i know i cant halfass it

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:33 PM

then you need to be realistic in the sense that theres a large chance things will either be blown off, delayed or , "well think about it" and then nothing comes out of it (edited)

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:34 PM

Then we proceed to the nuclear option.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:35 PM

i kinda have to be blunt here, even if its mildly rude, since moonly and tyler have had 6+ months of feedback, why would this be any different this time (edited)

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:35 PM

Because it wasn't organised, it had no weight behind it.

fish 25-Oct-20 06:35 PM

only thing we have going for this one is organization and staff involvement

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:35 PM

id say the september feedback document, which i helped leia write, was organised as fuck

fish 25-Oct-20 06:36 PM

only thing i can think of that would make him care about one

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:36 PM

No, by that I mean staff organisation.

fish 25-Oct-20 06:36 PM

yes but that was just leia

this is a large portion of staff and many community members

so it provides a bit more weight

unfortunately might not be enough

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:36 PM

staff organisation doesnt really matter when hes in a position to veto the entire thing or just try and compromise with a delay

fish 25-Oct-20 06:36 PM

yep

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:36 PM

I mean the entire discord melted twice when I was removed and that didn't really go anywhere

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:37 PM

like what realistically will you do when he tries to blow it off, you need to be prepared for tht because its a realistic possibility

its not something you can wait and see about, you need to be prepared to use leverage or something to get stuff done if it doesnt work out

fish 25-Oct-20 06:37 PM

i’m fully aware we need a backup plan, i’m just saying this is definitely more likely to succeed than other attempted documents

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:38 PM

if this letter isnt ready in time im gonna give steph the latest feedback doc

actually

you know what

@marty

can you add everything we've discussed today onto that doc

like ASAP

marty 25-Oct-20 06:38 PM

whu

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:38 PM

this letter wont be done in time i dont think

marty 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM

ngl, i've read maybe 50 messages of this server

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM

and i sure as hell cant

fish 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM

he wasn’t even here for most of it

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM

hmm

fish 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM

in fact probably all of it

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM

we need something to show

marty 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM

i was busy sleeping, showering and having a morning walk

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM

thats ok

fish 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM

is there any chance you could delay the meeting?

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM

no

i dont think so

fish 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM

unfortunate

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM

when even is the meeting

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM

@marty can i give you a starting point and can you go from there

we dont know @Moth🦀

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM

hmm

i mean you could always just provide a fuck ton of single person documents

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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:40 PM

Why do you all think that moonly cares that much about staff involvement when he's been messaged by 2 staff and 1 discord mod about this server

and hasn't said anything other than rat

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:40 PM

like all the ones leia, marty, dann, me (sort of), ect have written

ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:40 PM

true

we could just give steph all of those

idk this is just all complicated

sorry

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:40 PM

and hasn't said anything other than rat

@tougeFS He might be doing other things, be asleep again or any other reason.

Can't jump to conclusions

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:41 PM

then he should say so

marty 25-Oct-20 06:41 PM

it's ~11 where he lives now

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:41 PM

or people should just be blunt with him and ask wtf hes doing

literally just ask "hey what are you doing, do you even care about the project, join the discord"

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:41 PM

He must have a lot to do considering all the other docs hes ignored

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:43 PM

if people want to take this thing seriously they just need to be blunt

and just try to get shit done

you can do what leia wanted to do, and just provide the mass amount of feedback docs to moonly during the meeting

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:47 PM

either way this seems like it will end up the same as every other attempt to get moonly to give a shit about his project

If he's unwilling to talk here, after 6 months of ignoring feedback, pushing it back to next year, not addressing my removal even though he said he would 4 months ago

You all have really convinced yourselves that somehow, someway this will finally be the time that he listens?

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:50 PM

We have to try. Besides, this will be an actual team meeting.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:50 PM

The last actual team meeting resulted in people not voting me off and yet I still got removed

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:50 PM

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:50 PM

So you know, those have a great precedent in accurately representing what people want

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:51 PM

We'll cross that bridge if we come to it.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:51 PM

thats odd (edited)

it seems like that attitude is the exact same one moonly has had towards feedback the past 6 months

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:52 PM

So what you just want to straight up have a dramatic coup? No discussion with Moonly and VNN calling us all bad actors?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:52 PM

im saying there needs to be some kind of pressure for him to do stuff (edited)

otherwise it wont go through

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 06:53 PM

If Moonly doesn't understand the significance of prominent community members voicing concern with the direction of the project as well as staff agreement, then it's a lost cause.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:54 PM

he should at least be convinced to join here (edited)

the fact that hes blowing it off, it just insulting

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 06:54 PM

what happened?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:54 PM

nothing, and thats the problem lol

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 06:54 PM

ah

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM

If we've lose moonly this entire project is dead. He's not just blowing off anything, he just doesn't understand thw significance of this, which isn't helped by the way steph sent it to him.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM

moonly aint doing shit and people think that all of a sudden hes going to have a change of heart and listen to feedback for once even though its never once in the past 6-8 months

If we've lose moonly this entire project is dead. He's not just blowing off anything, he just doesn't understand thw significance of this, which isn't helped by the way steph sent it to him.

@Alibi then make him understand the significance of this

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM

Sure, we may not represent everymemebrof the community but we care about this community project and we want it to succeed, this isn't a coup, we're not going against Moonly, we just want things to change to ensure that creators future is in stable hands

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM

moonly will change overtime if you guys stay persistent

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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM

how is he supposed to know how significant this is if noone speaks up

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM

Because he spent that amount of time Making the contract system from scratch

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM

if moonly would kill the project over someone saying "you need to listen to your staff and community"

then it was already dead

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM

people have stayed persistent for 8 months hugo

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 06:56 PM

there won't be an instant change unless he seems convinced

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:56 PM

we at the point where theres no time to wait for "a gradual change"

a gradual change in the project is what should have happened after classful

not now that the project is about to dip under 20k players and noone is enjoying a bug ridden untested update (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:56 PM

8 months, 2 community meltdowns, 3+ massive feedback docs, -40,000 players isn't enough to convince him?

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 06:57 PM

true

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:57 PM

and 3 staff members messaging him directly?

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:57 PM

Early in the morning on a sunday?

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 06:58 PM

I feel like his recognizance (or inferred by some in here) to repay Tyler McVicker in some way is a major issue, it's like a blind following

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:58 PM

We don't know that for sure, we can't assume.

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 06:58 PM

I know, but if it is true, I mean

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM

why not just directly DM him and ask him why he hasnt joined

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM

he 100% thinks he owes tyler for publicity

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM

you just gotta be blunt

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM

was every day of the past 8 months an early sunday morning?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM

you dont need to have a chit chat you need to make him understand the gravity of the situation

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM

it just sounds like you all are afraid to actually do something meaningful

Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM

Was this discord made 8 months ago?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM

massive feedback docs were

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM

I woke up like 10 minutes ago please forgive me

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM

bring him into vc instead of #general

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM

massive community backlash to changes were (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:00 PM

this doc is small compared to the complete fucking meltdown the community had before

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:00 PM

massive community meltdowns that made the entire project die for a day were

do you want this to actually go anywhere or continue running in the cycle of new (bad) changes > drama > feedback > ignored (edited)

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:01 PM

We need to give him a chance to state his case, and to verbally understand the gravity of the situation. Forcing this through without giving him a chance will make this entire effort fail.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:01 PM

well when he gonna do that

noone is trying to ask him right now to

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:01 PM

The team meeting..

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:01 PM

noone seems to want to step up and make him state his case

yea whenever that happens, we dont even have a date

he could easily just join this discord like touge has been wanting

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:02 PM

how about i invite him

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:02 PM

i mean if you can get him in thats good

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:02 PM

someones going to have to

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:02 PM

3 staff members have allready tried

and they got blown off

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:03 PM

Is he even online?

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:03 PM

maybe Retr0 could try

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:03 PM

he is

he was awake and responded to steph (i think it was steph) with a picture of a rat insteaf of adressing the messages (edited)

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:03 PM

its other this or a group DM

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:03 PM

That was ages ago

Nope, he's offline.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:04 PM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/769683973734793228/769804539410513960/unknown.png

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:04 PM

At 2am

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:04 PM

Yes I am sure he will care and listen

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:04 PM

well i see the problem

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:04 PM

It needs to be more serious and professional

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I don't know what Steph thought that would achieve lol

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:04 PM

it wasn't spoken about as if it was urgent

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:05 PM

Exactly my point.

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:06 PM

ok how about this

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:06 PM

We need Retr0 in here as well.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:07 PM

you all spend your time how you want

all i'm seeing is the same shit that happened 8 months ago

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:07 PM

same

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:07 PM

And this discord was set up? With multiple staff members new and old?

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:07 PM

tomorrow me or Retr0 or someone Dm's him with the invite, you talk about what it is and don't get off topic, try have some feeling of urgency in the message so he won't just blow it off

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:08 PM

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:08 PM

i say tomorrow so he doesn't get mad about the invite getting spammed to him

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:09 PM

Like I said, do what you all think is best

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:09 PM

any objections?

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:09 PM

None

you all go for it

i'm sleeping

pce

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:10 PM

i could even just VC with him

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:13 PM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728405000900050954/769835664191127552/unknown.png

@Alibi @ZoNiCaL

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:14 PM

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:14 PM

Sigh

So be it

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:14 PM

while you guys argue about what to do tyler is redpilling moonly to just ignore all of you

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:14 PM

Where is that from? (edited)

@tougeFS

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:15 PM

The staff server

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:15 PM

when is it from

recently or?

im assuming it was a while go unless u have access to it, or someone send u that screenie

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:16 PM

@tougeFS Yes, When is it from.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:17 PM

not leaking

but recent

from earlier

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:17 PM

Context is key. How recently we talking here

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:17 PM

i think were past the point of "leaking" being an issue touge

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:19 PM

True

We’re talking earlier today

Like a few hours ago

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:19 PM

Fuck sake

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:19 PM

@everyone

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:20 PM

yea turns out while your all pissing about saying "eventully" moonly continues to be conditioned to disregard your opinions and our feedback

Leia 25-Oct-20 07:21 PM

i'm awake now

what's the tl;dr

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:21 PM

Literally that image

Leia 25-Oct-20 07:21 PM

yeah i know that image

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:22 PM

nothing has happened @Leia

as in

moonly is doing nothing

not joining here

Leia 25-Oct-20 07:22 PM

yeah

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:22 PM

maybe do it at the source

Leia 25-Oct-20 07:22 PM

we're having a meeting on monday night with the team and tyler

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:22 PM

This is going to go nowhere

Either we put pressure on and get him in now

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM

bruh tyler isn't even a team member, he said he quit

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM

Or VNN continues to groom moonly

Leia 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM

wrong Flourbo

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM

Your choice

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM

yea im with touge on this one

Leia 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM

okay i'm shaking rn this is too much stress but

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM

well after seeing that message i agree with touge

Leia 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM

let there be this meeting

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM

Wait till after the meeting. Then all bets are off.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:24 PM

Every single delay is more time for VNN to continue this shit

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:25 PM

So what do you want to do then? Cause I'm not supporting a coup unless all options are exhausted, and there is still one last option.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:25 PM

Walking out is not a coup

A strike is not a coup

I’m not putting a bullet in VNN’s head and taking over

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:26 PM

a walkout is a peaceful protest of the current state of the project

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:26 PM

We’re just saying you don’t value us, so we don’t value you.

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:26 PM

You think VNN is going to give this up without a fight?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:26 PM

nope but if hed raather do a power play and remove anyone who had criticism

well

theres no point staying

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:26 PM

Mother fucker if half the staff and the 3 majorly important ones decide to leave

What can he do?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:27 PM

if the situation gets that worse, hell have to change in return for you returning

if he causes drama and starts insulting (i feel like tyler would) then show the world how much of a scumbag he us

hes allready bullied 1 valve project

(l4d2) (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:27 PM

We’re wasting time with anything short of just walking

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:27 PM

just make sure to record everything you do touge

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:28 PM

We've waited 8 months, we can wait a single day.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:28 PM

It’s obvious they don’t give a fuck about feedback

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:28 PM

can the project wait a day though

its dropping players

moonly is being redpilled into not wanting feedback and community change

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:28 PM

Alibi the fact you’ve waited 8 months is the exact reason we shouldn’t have to wait a day

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:30 PM

It's taken 8 months for the pieces to fall into place, for everything to come together. You want to throw it all out now before they're even given a serious chance to talk? Let alone convincing large parts of the staff to walk. VNN can happily declare this a coup from the crazy community and class us all as bad actors.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:30 PM

He’s going to call his own staff who willingly left crazy?

No one is going to believe him.

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:31 PM

Like no one believed him about OF?

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:31 PM

OF was still a huge success

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:31 PM

calm down lads

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM

Listen you all do what you want

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM

how about we make a compromise

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM

do something both parties want

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM

"we wait another month for c.tf to drop to 10k monthly players THEN we do something"

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM

We can wait one single day for this meeting to happen. If nothing gets resolved, all bets are off.

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM

no im not talking about moonly and vnn

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM

Ok nevermind this is obviously a massive waste of time

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:33 PM

so dismissive that little moonly boy is (edited)

all we need to do to bring pressure is for touge to give me the OK and i just start dropping shit from the archives that show why creators needs to change, but im saving that as a "last resort" for when stuff like this doesnt work and touge just abandons this idea due to failure

this is why i kept the archive, so many projects, tf2 and not, just go "oh theres no need to change"

and the only way to deal with that is just fat solid proof (edited)

like how can you say "things dont need to change" when theres screencaps of you saying stupid shit and the community melting down over how bad of a decision it was (edited)

Leia 25-Oct-20 07:36 PM

Hello Moonly

Kaya 25-Oct-20 07:36 PM

Hi

(guess I woke up at the correct time)

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:36 PM

Absolutely perfect time Kaya, because this is where it hits the fan.

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:37 PM

Kaya 25-Oct-20 07:37 PM

Do I have time to read everything that has been said during my sleep

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:37 PM

@Moonly Days You here to talk or just try to dismiss everything. I’m not trying to waste anyone’s time.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:38 PM

tldr people arnt taking this seriously and wanted to delay getting stuff done till a "meeting" that had no concrete date @Kaya (edited)

lol hugo deleting his "im cringing at moonly" message

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:40 PM

There's no point trying to hide anything. It's make or break now.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:40 PM

I’ll put it simply, c.tf is dying. The community is tired of the lack of communication. VNN removed the one person with a creative vision and deeper understanding of the game from the project, HIGPS has done nothing but piss the community off and make mediocre content. (edited)

You’re down 40,000+ players, staffs questions and concerns are ignored and pushed off.

There have been numerous, multiple page docs created outlining all these issues and nothing has been done to fix any of it.

People are fucking sick and tired of wasting time on a project whose two leaders do not care about them. Or what they have to say.

@Moonly Days

And leave Leia out of it, they haven’t leaked shit other than the past few things they’ve posted.

Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:43 PM

Hi Touge, what's up.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:43 PM

I know you’re messaging them right now, you can invis all you want.

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:43 PM

Ah good, Retr0s here to now

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:43 PM

Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:43 PM

Yeah I got invited

Kaya 25-Oct-20 07:43 PM

I have invited him

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:43 PM

sup Retr0

Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM

So...what are we talking about

I guess the future

And c.tf

Obviously

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM

no this isnt the future

this is the now

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM

and the past

Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM

But shit seems kinda serious

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM

the change that needs to happen now before there is no future of c.tf

Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM

Alright I see

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM

c.tf is going to keep bleeding players and dropping mediocre updates unless shit changes

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM

We aren’t talking about shit because @Moonly Days refuses to actually interact with anything anyone is saying (edited)

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM

the shit people like me. marty, leia and more have been saying since fucking april

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:45 PM

Something has to change and we can't be dismissed or ignored any longer

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:45 PM

and have had ignored while moonly pisses on the community by making changes noone wants, kicking the hornets nest and just generally straying away from ANY transparency

Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:46 PM

So what you all pretty much imply is that Moonly is an abusive "owner"?

Or whatever

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:46 PM

not abusive

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:46 PM

No.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:46 PM

just kinda completally imcompetant as a "owner"

as an actual dev hes good (edited)

but as an owner who makes decisions for the project he isnt good

Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:46 PM

Oh ok

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:46 PM

No. Moonly has done some amazing work, and he is still a core part of Creators, but as project lead it's another matter.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:46 PM

the actual abusive owner is tyler

as seen in those screenshots above

trying to redpill moonly into thinking the community isnt needed and just whiney

and just generally trying to undermine the project

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:47 PM

I was on the fence about Tyler until he dropped that 3 minute laugh of a video. (edited)

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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:47 PM

His refusal to take criticism and feedback while cooperating with Tyler McVicker, a massive detriment to the project, is what is starting to make creators fall to pieces

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:47 PM

Fucking embarrassing

1

Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:47 PM

Aren't we like, all in favor of booting Tyler off?

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:48 PM

Everyone except moonly

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:48 PM

yep

Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:48 PM

And I guess what prevents us is Moonly (edited)

Yeah

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:48 PM

everyone in here, staff and community, want tyler gone (edited)

Kaya 25-Oct-20 07:48 PM

We all are.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:49 PM

this could have been solved long go if any attempt to make changes where happen during the numerous meltdowns of the discord server due to drama and generally bad publicity (edited)

but sadly its been 6 months

nothing has changed (edited)

the latest update is the nail in the coffin that something needs to change

either now or never

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:49 PM

You mean you were seriously on the fence about Tyler despite him threatening legal action towards someone as a scare tactic to asset his authority because his power in the valve community has no end in accordance with his undeserved popularity and dissonant behaviour and attitudes towards people, touge and Jonathan included, and the community as a whole.

?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:50 PM

so is @Moonly Days just going to ghost here harder than he ghosts the partnered discord or is he actually going to address stuff

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:50 PM

all i can say is, its obviously scary to kick someone off that has a lot of influence, but that doesn't matter, it will ruin YOUR project as a whole if you don't @Moonly Days i actually don't play on c.tf or team fortress in general and i can obviously see how bad this situation is

Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:51 PM

I'm meeting with my friend in 15 minutes, I'm not going to talk about anything while I'm with him. If you want something to be changed, make a list of concrete points that needs to be made to improve communication, not just "lack of communication". I'm off for now.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:51 PM

Mother fuck

You literally just copy pasted what you told leia

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:51 PM

@Moonly Days We literally have entire google docs listing and explaining this.

Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:51 PM

Yes i did

What is the problem with it

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:51 PM

This has to be a joke lmao

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:51 PM

Moonly

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:51 PM

do you actually care about listening to us @Moonly Days

yes or no

do you actually want to hear us and anything we have to say

Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:52 PM

I do

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:52 PM

or are you going to waste our time with meaningless "turn it into a pretzel even though its allready in neatly written documents"

Kaya 25-Oct-20 07:52 PM

No need to be harsh just let him time please

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:52 PM

may we schedule something with you then for after you meet with your mate? @Moonly Days

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:53 PM

Moonly this isn't just about communication, this is much bigger than that

Communication is only one strain of the change that we seek for the betterment of this project

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:53 PM

this is issues with the project as a whole, your inability to act on feedback, the refusal to address situations which have been promised an addressal

the lack of transparency causing people to dislike new updates

or release with bugs

Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:54 PM

Do you all know how fucking hard that is to pull everything together, while everything was on fire this weekend, and I'm still in process of pulling everything together? And at the same time i have to read every message and doc you present? And at the same time i hage my own life, okay? If you want me down so much, go ahead, seek a new owner.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:54 PM

have things been on fire for 6+ months?

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:54 PM

The list is pretty simple. -VNN is moved to press only -Higps is moved to YouTube content only -Dev blogs and Q&A are implemented -I am given my role back

Leia 25-Oct-20 07:54 PM

this is not about getting you down Moonly

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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:54 PM

We don’t want to see you or the project die dude @Moonly Days

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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM

because this is more than "issues with this update" these are issues that date back to the beginning of the year

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM

Someone else promoted to project lead.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM

You’re a great dev, you’re not a great project leader.

And neither is VNN

You’re down 40,000 players my guy you can’t ignore that.

Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM

VNN is already kind of press-only. He is just in charge of making videos.

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM

Come on Moonly, VNNs vid is a fucking mockery of your work and effort.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM

your an amazing dev moonly, but your kinda bad at the whole management thing, which is why we want to see someone who can help organise things while you stick to doing the amazing work you allready do

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM

We want you to be able to code and not have to worry about this kind of stuff.

Leia 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM

Come on Moonly, VNNs vid is a fucking mockery of your work and effort.

the video is down

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM

he doesn't seem like just a press guy

Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM

He takes zero participation in actual development

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM

Delegation.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM

yet he still acts like hes the face of the project

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM

And yet you took his word over the communities on my removal?

Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM

When he said that last time

Leia 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM

why does he have access to the entirety of the dev server then? why does he keep saying "we" while he has 0 contribution to the actual update?

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM

That’s hardly just press my guy.

Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM

That's our issue Moonly, you are doing too much, everything. Administration, management, development. No one can do all of these.

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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM

^^^

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM

Dude I’m not even on staff and I literally chose every single Halloween map.

Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM

Things should split up for your own sanity and the future of the project.

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:57 PM

Why did he mention a manpower update that never existed on stream? If he isn't involved, why is he trying to will things into existence?

Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:57 PM

I'm off now. Will catch up later.

Cya

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:57 PM

He must have a certain amount of power to believe that he can say something on stream and expect it to happen

Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:58 PM

I can talk about it with him personally.

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:58 PM

Thank you

Leia 25-Oct-20 07:58 PM

this should be brought on with the rest of the team though

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:58 PM

basically moonly. you need tolet someone else take reigns with the project, you saying you dont have time to deal with it is the core issue, if you dont have time then ask for help, let someone else take over, you dont need to do it alone and just charge through it headlong (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:58 PM

Mediocre in-between when the vast majority of your staff want him removed.

If you think he’s how you get your job at valve you’re sorely mistaken. (edited)

Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM

Issue is not to give someone reigns. Issue is who to give said reigns

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM

make it a 3 way ownership

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM

Touge is option that I personally advocate for

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM

but do it with people who the community trusts

Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM

Steph? Rob? Literally anyone who's pet dedication into this.

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Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM

It's not WHO it's WHO in plural.

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM

Rob is also good

Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM

Steph already suggested themselves

Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM

Multiple people should manage multiple stuff

Leia 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM

I'm dedicated to the project but I'll never be project lead

Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM

I'm considering her for now

We'll talk about it on our meeting

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM

Put steph/rob in charge of development, put me in charge of content and put someone else in charge of PR

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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM

touge has said he would be willing to return to the project to help it get back on its feet

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM

Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM

Which is basically mostlyabout it

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM

This is not a hard issue.

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM

I'm the head mod and I'm happy with it so...

Also

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM

That meeting will need to be multiple people.

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM

i personally think it has to be more like a council than an owner

Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 08:01 PM

Alright, from now, send me a dm if you want me to read something

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:01 PM

Didn't Touge like...got kicked for "not being efficient" or something by higps

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:01 PM

Why is HiGPS even still here?

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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:01 PM

higps wasnt the one to kick him, he was the scapegoat

the one they shifted the blame too

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:01 PM

Would be great if I wasn’t blocked by you @Moonly Days

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:02 PM

The whole "partnered with balance mod" thing was another mistake.

Buuuut I guess that's a talk for #gps-discussion

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:02 PM

I s2g

Yep still blocked

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:03 PM

@tougeFS give me your message

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:03 PM

Nah

Fuck this

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:03 PM

aight

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:03 PM

Waste of my god damn time

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:03 PM

We can't give up touge.

This has to happen.

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:04 PM

Comes here, doesn’t talk, then denies anything being wrong, then has a meltdown about how we want him to fail by trying to fix things, and then leaves?

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:05 PM

Wait until the meeting.

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:05 PM

He has something else to do, give it some time

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I thought we were not forcing?

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:05 PM

you have to make it feel like its his idea

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:05 PM

In his defense he's still trying to fix everything from the SF update such as website overload and economy shit

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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:05 PM

He's already said that Steph was already an option.

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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM

He's obviously very stressed considering the update came out like less than 3 days ago

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM

personally i think Rob would be the best option but steph is also great

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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM

In his defense he's still trying to fix everything from the SF update such as website overload and economy shit

@HyperDan he can do that as a dev, instead of owner

so

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM

So.. wait for the meeting. We've brought this to his attention.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM

what are all your plans now

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM

Yes but my point is that it's contributing to him not communicating heee

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM

are you just gonna sit and let it get blown over like usual

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM

get some rest

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM

eat breakfast

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM

yeah that too

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM

I'll say it again, power should be divided equally and fairly between the most capable and active staff. Just my opinion.

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM

agreed

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM

are you just gonna sit and let it get blown over like usual

@Moth🦀 No, because the meeting will be the make or break. Literally one day.

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM

should be a council

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM

i did way more on this update than I should

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM

I don't see why there is an "owner" for a community project

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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM

We just saw what happens if one person has to deal with everything (edited)

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM

i allredy know how the meeting is going to go

sorry to spoil stuff

people will be let go

feedback will be shoved aside

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM

should be 4 people each in charge of a section, then they come in for a meeting once or twice a week to discuss

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM

tyler and moonly will make a power play

and the project will be fucked

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM

tyler and moonly will make a power play

@Moth🦀 Then they will only have themselves to blame.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM

sorry for spoiling the ending, but this is based on 6 months worth of incidents

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM

don't be such a downer

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM

At this point, if stuff go down like that I will resign. I don't want to be part of a fuckfest but part of something nice.

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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM

i mean

if we want this meeting to suceed

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM

@Retr0 agreed

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM

give me some docs

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:09 PM

don't be such a downer

@Flourbo whats there to be a downer about

this is my i told you so moment

i gave feedback for months (edited)

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:09 PM

All in #feedback-docs @Leia

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:09 PM

i wanted to prevent this (edited)

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:09 PM

we got some stuff through to him, not all but some

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:09 PM

even now, after the way people treated me with all the bullying and harassment, im still helping because touge and leia are my friend (edited)

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:09 PM

its better than what we had 10 minutes ago

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:10 PM

if shit hits the fan i can say i tried my best

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:10 PM

Lets hope that's enough, else there will be walkouts and resignations.

Zonical will leave for sure, Retr0 just said his part.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:10 PM

i mean there is another option

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:10 PM

if they leave ill leave

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:10 PM

I can't do much personally but I'll leave the public server as a vote of no confidence

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM

where you send me as much screenshots relating to why moonly should be owner

i allready have a lot

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM

retr0 and zonical are the reasons i still stay

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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM

but thats from either leaks or public discord

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM

thanks hugo :)

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM

@Moth🦀 We're not doing personal smear attacks, this has to be by the book.

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM

and you epic gamers too

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM

lol

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM

when the meeting falls through what else is there to do other than let the community know why moonly needs to go

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:12 PM

I don't know if I'll leave yet but that would bring me down if Retr0 left.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:12 PM

whats he gonna do, fire the entire community

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:12 PM

Delete the discord.

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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:12 PM

We'll do a magna carta only for kat to remove every message and complain that it makes her uncomfortable

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:12 PM

forgot to add you to @Kaya ❤️

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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM

Daily reminder that the majority of the community is centered around discord, and he can delete it all just as quickly.

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM

The events servers are like the only reason I play c.tf anymore

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM

truje

*true

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM

That's how much this has caused my enjoyment to die

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM

Daily reminder that the majority of the community is centered around discord, and he can delete it all just as quickly.

@Alibi not if mods actually help

whats he gonna do fire the entire mod team? then people will know hes pulling a power play

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM

He can ban us with two clicks so...

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM

who

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM

yea and then that does the same amount of damage as revealing why he needs to step down

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM

moonly

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM

And we are not equal with staff

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM

why would he do that

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM

@Moth🦀 Nope. The owner of the discord doesn't need mod permissions. Discord owners have the sole power to end the server.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM

i know

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM

@Kaya exactly

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM

We can just released it on reddit or tf.tv?

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM

why would he do that

Yeah true.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM

but if the owner of a server decides to nuke his entire staff team then people will see that

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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM

As a last resort of curse

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM

wait for the meeting, that's all i ask

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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM

^

agreed

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM

this is all for if (when) the meeting falls through

im not one to cause problems without valid cause

even though most of you think that anyway

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM

I don't like the fact that key people are not here like Rob and Jota

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM

agreed

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM

touge is trying to get them

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM

i thought rob was here

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM

I mean, Jota has even left the main server months ago

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM

theyre either offline or not responding

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM

I can invite Rob?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM

i was in vc with touge untll about an hour ago

he wants rob in here

jota im sure hed be fine with

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM

question

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM

anyone whose willing to help push for change

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM

Does rob need inviting or did touge already do that

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM

what ever happened to asheneru

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM

Banned

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM

i know touge wants him, i dont know if he sent an invite

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM

For nono stuff

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM

I'll dm him anyway

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM

i know the banned part

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM

Like racism and kinds of phobias

Oh

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM

from disc or c.tf

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:17 PM

Both

The account is deleted on disc

And steph banned them one day

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:17 PM

ah

they were the one that added me as a mod lmao

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:17 PM

Right I'm gonna message rob with an invite

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:17 PM

Yeah ik

You and Grant

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:17 PM

grant was a bad choice

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:18 PM

Guy couldn't handle his first day lmao

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:18 PM

who the fuck is-

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:18 PM

Yeah

Oh Kaya you don't know

A mod that came in with hugo

Left without any notice the next day

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:18 PM

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:18 PM

the whole server

i have a feeling its due to the amount of funny pictures i sent them

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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:18 PM

Right I'm gonna message rob with an invite

@HyperDan go for it, touge was telling me he wanted him here in vc

anyway i guess you all wait for the meeting to happen and things go up in smoke

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM

current mod team is full of chads

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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM

Done with as much professionalism as my half hour awake brain can do

current mod team is full of chads

@Flourbo and kat

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM

Ima go too, cya later

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM

see ya

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM

kats kat

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM

true lmao

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM

bruh

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:21 PM

ill leave yall to think about what you guys wanna do when the meeting goes through

because im allready working with touge on the contingency plan

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:22 PM

If*

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:22 PM

Please ping me if there's any news

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:22 PM

@Kaya I'm about to start gaming

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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:23 PM

game world of warcraft with me

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:23 PM

I don't have it

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:23 PM

welp

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:23 PM

I'll game momentum mod private alpha though

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:24 PM

Daily reminder that Zonicals google doc still needs writing.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:25 PM

i dont think zons doc is an issue right now

when we have a bunch of separate ones

and are able to articulate the main points like we just did

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:25 PM

daily reminder that you should all compile your docs into one doc

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:25 PM

Would be good to have an overview. Which is basically Zons doc. It's in #feedback-docs

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:25 PM

my doc is staying private until the terms i told leia are filled, even if im helping now im not breaking my morals any further

or untll change happens

if touge gets owner ill give it to him lol since hes swag af (edited)

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:26 PM

if i want the meeting to succeed i'll have to present one doc that is the combination of all the others

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:26 PM

So, we need to work on Zons doc

Use that as the base.

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:26 PM

because people don't want to waste their time listening to a french person reading text

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several of them even

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:27 PM

if you guys wanna work on zons doc then go for it i guess

i have my own stuff to attend to,

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:27 PM

I don't know I kind of liked it

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:27 PM

Make the doc as simple and to the point as possible

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:27 PM

ngl i have to say i'm worried about my position in the team even though i always said i love this project too much to see it disappear

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:27 PM

And record every single person who wants VNN/GPS gone

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:27 PM

and i'm using what's in my power to warn people

btw

i still don't know how 4chan works

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM

wdym warn people

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM

whistleblowing or some shit

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM

bruh are you posting shit on 4chan

i dont think nows the time for that leia

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM

I DON'T KNOW HOW 4CHAN WORKS

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM

i do

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM

yeah so I'm not leaking shit on 4chan

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM

im not gonna leak shit till stuff is prepred and touge gives the OK

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM

I don't even know how 4chan works

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM

Can we not get 4chan involved please.

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM

That'd be the worst thing you could do.

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM

The only time I ever used it was to read the Jonathan drama lol

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM

yeah same

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM

no one takes 4chan seriously

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM

Same

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM

and I can confirm that leia has no clue how 4chan works

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM

Idk there’s a lot of people who take 4chan seriously

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM

so whoever leaks the dev server on 4chan remains to be known

Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM

Well tell them to stop LARPing

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM

It’s a mixed bad but I don’t want anyone posting anything from here to it

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:30 PM

Do you think Cipher would be interested in joining here @Alibi

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:30 PM

Friendly reminder that Covid news was on 4chan before it hit the MSM

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:30 PM

so whoever leaks the dev server on 4chan remains to be known

@Leia 404

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:30 PM

Back in January

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:30 PM

there were reports of covid as far back as december iirc

but it was like 1 - 2 people

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:31 PM

@Leia 404

@Moth🦀 isn't he not in the team anymore

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:32 PM

nope but he was leaking stuff right after he was removed

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:32 PM

to be fair he's a literal manchild that doesn't surprise me

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:32 PM

yep lol

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:32 PM

i'm talking about someone (who?) who leaked stuff as we were talking

like 5 minutes later you'd find a screen on 4chan

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM

on here?

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM

what was sent?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM

oh wait wtf

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM

i think it was the general channel or something

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM

someone leaked shit from here? based?

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM

and many people have access to it

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM

is there a thread of this you can link to

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM

nah from the dev server

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM

ah

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM

ah

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM

i don't have a thread because i can't be bothered searching

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM

I thought you meant here and then I was worried

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM

all i'm saying is that i can't be the leaker because i don't know how 4chan works

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:34 PM

cant see anything on tf2g

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:34 PM

that was a month ago or something

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:34 PM

that matches to 404s removal

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:34 PM

oh yea that was 404

it happened right as he was removed (edited)

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:34 PM

yeah but leaks were happening after he got removed

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:34 PM

he saved stuff

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:35 PM

and you weren't on the team then leia

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:35 PM

not hard to take a screenshot of the channel list

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:35 PM

no no i'm talking about actual discussions

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:35 PM

no leia was when 404 was removed iirc

oh?

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:35 PM

yes

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:35 PM

interesting

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:38 PM

it's like screens of people talking literally a minute ago that got posted on 4chan

and i wake up to that

because you know, america

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:39 PM

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:39 PM

if you really want to consider me as the 4chan leaker you'd have to get me fueled on caffeine and change my sleep schedule to america working hours

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:39 PM

how do respond

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:39 PM

Elsewhere?

Wdym?

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:39 PM

@tougeFS What do I say to this lmao

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:40 PM

Public server this is impossible

Tell him everyone is here

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:40 PM

explain that moonly agreed to discuss this here and that numerous staff and moderators have aggreed

and that its basically a list (edited)

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:40 PM

Moonly is here

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:40 PM

this server is a list of people who want the project to change

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:41 PM

I’m sleeping now

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:41 PM

sleepy touge

gn

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:42 PM

Welcome Rob

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:43 PM

helo

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:44 PM

rob when he joins and says literally nothing

Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:45 PM

ffs let time to people to catch up with everything

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:45 PM

you dont need to catch up to say "h-hewwo

" (edited)

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:47 PM

h-hewwo

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:55 PM

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:56 PM

sorry leia but im taken

~~not really im very lonely~~ (edited)

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:56 PM

sure

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:56 PM

I am taken. Taken as a joke.

Leia 25-Oct-20 08:57 PM

mood

i mean that's what zon said

as well

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:57 PM

I’m taken too, meet my husband

Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:58 PM

hot

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:58 PM

He’s just like me

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:58 PM

It's so you!

Good shit!

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:58 PM

Here’s our son

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:58 PM

Where does Slim Larry fit into this canon

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:58 PM

this is all very suspenseful isnt it

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:58 PM

poggeux, as the french say

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:59 PM

Slim Larry is the god of the Hugoverse @HyperDan

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:59 PM

im not sure what outcome to will for

like out of all the good ones that is

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:59 PM

Either way. I want in on this merting. @rob5300 @Leia @Moonly Days @Vipes

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:59 PM

the only bad outcome is "people just decide to let moonly do his thing and the project dies"

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 09:00 PM

I chose every single Halloween map

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:00 PM

Or atleast record it

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 09:00 PM

And I have the DMs to prove it

rob5300 25-Oct-20 09:00 PM

My time that im avalaible may not fit best but ill try to be there

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:00 PM

he is right you know

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:00 PM

I just want a recording so I can see how things are like behind the scenes tbh

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:01 PM

i mean we allready have a few recordings of behind the scenes stuff

so we know what its like

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:01 PM

We do?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:01 PM

its pretty nasty

well i do

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:01 PM

I must see

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:01 PM

because im active in the community in a sense

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:02 PM

Not now but I want to see eventually (edited)

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:02 PM

i mean it gets posted on 4chan occasionally

its the whole touge tranny clip where tyler freaks the fuck out

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:02 PM

Is the dev server public?!?

Ah

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:03 PM

if you wanna see what tyler is like theres a bunch of leaked clips from other project's meetings too (edited)

and illegal stream clips c.tf doesnt want posted

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:03 PM

Oh I can tell what he’s like

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:04 PM

society if c.tf didnt censor information regarding the issues with the project

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:04 PM

He kinda reminds me of yanderedev but actually productive (edited)

Retr0 25-Oct-20 09:04 PM

bruh...

how did the project end up like this

honestly

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 09:04 PM

Project will fail because you guys won't add jump servers

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:05 PM

is that an actual question: should i start with everything i said in april/may before i was relegated to being seen as a "troll" and "harassing people"

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:05 PM

Tf2 community isn’t the nicest community out there

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:05 PM

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:05 PM

Reminds me of WoW community

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:05 PM

because quite frankly ive been calling this shit out since the fucking beginning of me joining creators

and it resulted in me being ostracised

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:05 PM

The c.tf community are a mirror image of what’s happening to WoW

Actually no

Now that I think of it

tougeFS 25-Oct-20 09:06 PM

This is what happens when you let grifters who don’t care about the game be in charge

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:06 PM

(and bullied and harassed by numerous people) (edited)

Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:36 PM

speaking of leadership roles I’d like something kinda like art director or something. Whatever is fitting for the nudges and pointers I keep doing

Now I go back to sleep

Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:37 PM

Well, i'm sure if new managers are chosen, they can set things up

Noodle 25-Oct-20 10:38 PM

My fault for sleeping I guess

I want to sum up some of my thoughts once I properly wake up.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 10:43 PM

oh shit noodle is in here

pog

Noodle 25-Oct-20 10:43 PM

Been here since last night before my scrims

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 10:44 PM

pog

but yea shit happened and theres going to be a "staff meeting" which is probably absolutely going to fall through

somehow i dont see tyler "any project that doesnt have me is going to fail" mcvicker going down without lots of screaming

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:01 PM

or a "if you take me down, I'm taking it down with me" attitude

Noodle 25-Oct-20 11:03 PM

Noodle 25-Oct-20 11:12 PM

The key points right now as I understand them from my limited knowledge of what's going on on the dev side is that there is no solid Product Manager and our PR leaves a lot to be desired and hangs on a unhealthy dependency on VNN. I was kind of shocked to find out Leia was basically the organizer for this past event when they have a simple writing credit. Combine this with the fact Moonly is already stretched thin as is and it's clear a PM is needed to help structure everything and check off all the boxes when it comes to things like verifying author crediting and consent. For the dependency on VNN I find it stems from the fact we have no YouTube presence of our own. Having an official Creators.tf channel to coincide with our major updates seems like the logical progression to help us spread the word of our updates. Being solely reliant on Tyler who is kind of a third party is not the right way to go. (edited)

For @sappho I will say I empathize with wanting to decompress after working hard all day and putting a lot of effort into this project but acting inappropriately in the #general chat of the main discord is not the right place or way to be doing that. It can't be understated how much praise you deserve for the amount of work you put into the project but the majority of the community is well aware of your special treatment in terms of the Discord's rules and it's not a good look. You need a better outlet when you want to just hang out where you can speak freely without having to worry about being professional. @tougeFS there is one concern I heard about you in the past regarding taking a bigger role in Creators.tf development that I think is warranted and you should keep in mind. This is your very competitive leaning opinions. I'm not going to sit here and try to act like balancing new weapons from a competitive standpoint first isn't a healthier way to go but I want you to be aware that if you're doing any sort of design process(weapons, map selections, etc) that Creators.TF is supposed to be a casual oriented community. This is already one of our big weak points that we can't really fix ourselves, the most common issue the playerbase at large has with our servers is the skill jump. The only way this could be fixed is to have a much larger playerbase but that's not exactly a simple solution. On the other hand we should be wary of exacerbating this problem further by making the servers overly competitive with future changes. (edited)

Professionalism is also something I've been harping on since before I joined as well. Using slurs, threats, and off color jokes in a professional environment(the dev server) is cringe and needs to stop honestly. I understand some of the volunteers are still young but everyone needs to act maturely in a professional team environment.

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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:21 PM

right now the goal is for the mods and staff who are a part of hte meeting to try nd get tyler removed and moonly to step down to just a dev

after that things could ideally be put at a slower pace when someone who is guarenteed to push changes is in charge

but i dont expect things to go smoothly

i expect them to go tits up to the point where actual leverage will need to be used to force hand

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:23 PM

@Noodle said exactly what i was thinking

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:23 PM

as has every major community interraction in the past 6 months

and touge feels the same way

im just putting it a lot nicer than he is

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:26 PM

we wouldn't need vnn if we had a youtube obviously, i have stated this quiet a few times in the mod chat, also with the steph thing i aslo agree, steph has a little bit of controversy behind her mainly due to just general chat, hence why i thought Rob would be another good pick, it seems like the best option would be for there to be no actual owner and kinda have it as people in charge of sections, this way everything thats done is voted and everything gets a second opinion, i think the dream team would be, Moonly, Rob, Leia and Steph all being in charge of their own section

i don't know what they would do in said section mainly because i hardly know what they do in general, all i know is that leia does the writing and steph does serverside stuff

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:28 PM

Me in charge of jumping :megabastard:

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:28 PM

should you as a mod know this info

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:28 PM

as i have stated many times

im the only mod

that has never played in c.tf

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:29 PM

not like youd be able to now anyway, considering they removed aus servers lol

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:29 PM

true

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:29 PM

400 ping USA here we come

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:29 PM

Can the argument be made that they shouldn't know this because they're not fully fledged staff? They're just volunteers to keep order while the real team does their job

Even though it's still shitty

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:29 PM

nah i just don't know because i don't look into it

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:29 PM

these are what aus servers were removed for

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:29 PM

oof

should've just had 1 aus server instead of 5

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM

if servers arnt being used in the US, whats the issue with them not being used in AU

before they were removed there was only 2

and 2 singapour ones

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM

only needed to be 1

1 singapore

1 aus

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM

2 aus

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM

nah

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM

i mean that would work too

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM

so if you get steamrolled yo ucan stop whining and play somewhere else

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM

1 aus never even got filled

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM

lmfao

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:31 PM

1 aus would get filled back during peak players

aka HE

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:31 PM

nah never

i have never seen the aus server full

hence why i never played

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:31 PM

Turns out, the real Hazardous Environment was the internal structure of c.tf

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:31 PM

oof

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:32 PM

i find it funny how after being treated like shit i still have more info on how creators works that the fucking mods

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:32 PM

nah

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:32 PM

:Sorry:

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:32 PM

im the only exception

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:32 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:32 PM

the rest of the mods know quiet a bit

so i often ask them stuff

they seem to know a lot more than when staff had perms

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:33 PM

sometimes i wonder what would have happened if back in april/may, the staff had listend to me, marty and all the other people who gave them feedback

we probably wouldnt be in this situation

if only though (edited)

instead i get the i told you so moment i deserved

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:36 PM

To be fair a lot of people on the inside didn’t like Tyler way before this because how he acts. We just kept quiet and kept our heads down

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:37 PM

"We have no communication issues" >Literally no communication outside the website and Discord >Many other systems such as Steam/Twitter were flatout abandoned. >Only started updating through steam because I kept prodding mods. >People constantly asking questions all over the place to little to no response.

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:37 PM

Just like some apparently don’t like me but instead of saying anything they vent to 4chan

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:37 PM

to be fair you had a LOT of issues that i helped pushed for to get changed, including the fact that the staff shouldnt have mod perms and the trello (edited)

marty 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM

For me one of the notable things is that, as i put it multiple times, "tyler thrives of hype, and creates that hype if he can't find it anywhere else", and that "overhyping the update hurt the project more than anything" the combination of those is just pure rip.

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM

which we fixed pretty quickly

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM

yea after a few months

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM

I’m not in the power to do any changes moth

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM

^

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM

im not talking about you specifically

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM

vipes had perms but he wasn't the problem

ah nevermind

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM

never said he was

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM

That’s not me saying I don’t agree with what you’ve been saying from the start

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:39 PM

its more or less the general attitude people had when i pushed for things, even touge who im friends with now, was resistant to changes like mod perms on staff (edited)

which caused a lot of tension between us, but im glad we sorted things out and are buddies

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:39 PM

Believe it or not I was actually for a lot of the stuff you mentioned before you said anything

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:40 PM

^

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:40 PM

I just kept quiet. I don’t like stirring the pot

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:40 PM

tbf, you wernt the most public staff member at the time

i dont think you were listed on the discord at the time

or even on the website right?

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:40 PM

Retr0 was also pushing to remove mod perms for staff for months

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:41 PM

Correct. I was with the team since the beginning but I chose to be hidden due to drama concerns. Concerns that Jon proven correct

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:41 PM

we just don't go public with stuff like that because it makes people start more drama then it should be

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:41 PM

yea, all the 4chan stuff, which is pretty shitty

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:41 PM

Yeah

Exactly why I wasn’t credited or known until Jon outed me

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:41 PM

jon outed you?

im guessing after he quit you joined back

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:41 PM

Outed me as a staff member

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:42 PM

iirc jon mentioned vipes was staff when he was leaking shit on 4chan

and i think he told me when he was talking to me personally (edited)

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:42 PM

@Vipes I don't know much history behind you. I presume it's rather long?

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:42 PM

same

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:42 PM

oh boy

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:42 PM

He plays FO76 and that isn't allowed in gamerworld

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:42 PM

Wait, Vipes you're in the Hawken Refugees?

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:42 PM

I know it’s not right to keep secrets but I had my reasons to keep me being staff secret

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:43 PM

he was targeted in a harassment campaign from 4chan

from even before i joined the discord

shit like "vipes is a pedo" or "vipes is racist"

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:43 PM

Not just that. A good major of the workshop community straight up detest me. Two even doxxed me

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:43 PM

Wait, what?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:44 PM

or "vipes is on the team so he can get cosmetics onto c.tf, and can pay him royalties to embezzel funds to buy fallout 76 atoms" and the only reaction to this is

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-engineer-what-gif-13604536

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:44 PM

Anyway this ain’t about me. I’m just clarifying I was here since the beginning and why I was kept a secret

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:45 PM

all i can say is, just because mods are not saying stuff in #general doesnt mean we are not agreeing with you, we just try keep it down low because it makes our job harder when it causes riots, hence why we get mad when people bring up drama in #general, we just want to fix it without the 100th riot starting

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:45 PM

I was concerned that having me on board would be a hindrance

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:45 PM

To be fair @Flourbo starting a riot in the discord is rather hard now. You guys have been doing a fine job, especially since you're organised and allowed to actually do your job.

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:45 PM

Yeah. I still feel like shit for the here ping. I was only trying to help

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:46 PM

yea, just having a blanket ban on anything thats negative on creators (such as marty's vid) does wonders for control

tbf that one is on moonly specifically iirc (edited)

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:47 PM

yeah just giving context, when someone is banned for "constantly stirring drama" they are not causing the drama, they are just causing so many riots and getting people to complain about it when we are trying to fix it

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:47 PM

Moth taking potshots however true doesn’t help your case man. You could have brought it up a bit better

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:47 PM

i mean i was specifcally talking about the decision to ban marty's vid

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM

martys vid?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM

which has nothing to do with me or my case

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM

Yeah. I still feel like shit for the here ping. I was only trying to help

@Vipes Sorry, I did give you a bit of shit for that, I apologise

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM

https://youtu.be/b67qc0MSRzU

Marty

tyler is an idiot

this one

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM

was that a mod choice?

or a staff choice

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM

aparently if you post it your supposed to get muted and have it deleted because moonly considers it targeted harassment

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM

Wait that video is banned? Damn am I out of the loop or something

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM

or both

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM

tbf that one is on moonly specifically iirc

what did she mean by this??? (edited)

from what people have told me, specifically marty, he was told that the vid isnt allowed to be posted in c.tf

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:49 PM

i have never seen it tbh

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:49 PM

@HyperDan nah it isn’t people giving me shit. It’s myself giving me shit for causing chaos.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:49 PM

its just tyler being a cunt

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:49 PM

i can see that

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:49 PM

saying shit like "c.tf will work on an OFFICIAL mannpower update"

when theres 0 plans to

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:49 PM

I mean, I did make a great video out of it :P

Attachment: curbyourping.mp4 (5.36 MB)

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:50 PM

or "any project that doesnt have me is going to fail" (edited)

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:50 PM

omg

why does he remind me of a more productive yanderedev wtf

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:50 PM

because he is????

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:50 PM

One thing to learn about me. When I fuck up even unintentionally it messes with me and... yeah

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:50 PM

hes borderline a lolcow

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:50 PM

One thing to learn about me. When I fuck up even unintentionally it messes with me and... yeah

@Vipes Yeah. That happens with me too. I get you

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM

its like a bingo sheet

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM

dude is doing the yandev thing where he wants to be a twitch streamer instead of having an actual job

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM

Well, because the discord is an open and adapted system, many lessons have been learned and it has improved because of it. Such as, only certain roles can ping everyone now.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM

better not make a c.tf bingo, that would be TOO drama related

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM

nah nothings bad about being a twitch streamer instead of having a proper job

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM

society if we just moved back to irc tbh

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM

its just everything else

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM

i mean when hes sacrificing his journalistic integrity

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM

ah true

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM

the fact that NOONE has brought up the issue of conflict of interest

hes a "journalist" right

he shouldnt be reporting on things he has a personal stake and investment in

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM

You’re implying he had integrity to begin with

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM

true

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM

does he have a degree?

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM

yea

degree doesnt mean jack shit tho

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM

then he is a journalist, just not a good one

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM

hes a "journalist" in the say way id call tabloid writers journalsits

because thats what he is

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM

He was like this way before creators.tf. He just managed to get worse somehow

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM

a tabloid journalist

oh yea this isnt a new thing

ive been following him since the beginning of his channel

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:53 PM

it just became more public i guess

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:53 PM

hes always been overhyping, clickbaiting, and more

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:53 PM

Same.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:53 PM

shit like "half life 3 confirmed........................(leaks)" (edited)

or taking credit for other peoples work (edited)

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:53 PM

tbh i have known of him for ages but didn't really watch him till now

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:53 PM

And refusing to fact check. Like shit that should be super obvious if he just asked people in the know

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:54 PM

remember when he spent like 6 months calling l4d2 source 2 only to be proven wrong and ever piece of "evidence" was bullshit that had nothing to do with source 2

like sure, l4d2 was getting branch changes

but to say that means source 2 is disingenuous

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:54 PM

I don't think VNN is in a good place right now, he hasn't been for a while. Well, make a clickbaity video about TF2 for 3 minutes get more ad revenue than a half an hour fully researched other Valve related thing, it's going to screw with him eventually.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:54 PM

it's going to screw with him eventually.

it allready has imo

if he wanted to get hired as an actual journo

who would want him

he has massive negative rep

and the company he reports on dislikes him

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM

i have never seen a "pr manager" with such bad rep

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM

You'll be surprised

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM

I hate to say this but I think 4chan might be onto something about Valve detesting him and someone being the dedicated Tyler whisperer

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM

ah ye then again the guy who made HDTF works at blizzard

that is 100% true @Vipes

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM

HDTF?

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM

I’m not surprised

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM

theres a reason hes never had any concrete info from actual valve members

hunt down the freeman

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM

wtf

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM

the dude who heralded the project got a job at blizzard

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM

how?

how. at all

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM

“If you are a girl hello!” Truly a simp before simps

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM

iirc (cant find the stuff but take my word for it) he said he worked with valve when making hdtf

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM

Oh god i'm posting that image

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM

IF YOU ARE A WOMAN, HELLO!

hi

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM

reminder he had a gf when he was saying that

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM

Woman. Not girl. Damn I got it wrong

It’s still stupid

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:57 PM

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:57 PM

i feel like theres an alt universe where vnn never took off and he became an incel

because he kinda has that toxic attitude

where its all about him

Retr0 25-Oct-20 11:58 PM

I just want to clear up something and/or avoid any misunderstandings. Mods don't know anything about what is going on behind the scenes or in their dev server. Before anyone says "why do you have a role called Moderator in the dev server and know nothing?". Said role allows me to see a vc and a channel which is only me and everyone else that has a role. The reason that was created was for me to speak with another sub teams (like for example the potato.tf mod team) and has only been used once. Regarding the team as a whole, we know what we are told to and I always wanted the mod team to be as much transparent as possible and act based on the community and feedback and not personal interest.

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:58 PM

And some people have the balls to say I’m worse than Tyler

Retr0 25-Oct-20 11:58 PM

Thanks, I'll go back to my diner now.

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:58 PM

And some people have the balls to say I’m worse than Tyler

@Vipes obviously just jealous he can fuck his GF

(edited)

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:58 PM

wait we are allowed into the dev server?

bruh since when

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:58 PM

which is something hes actually said iirc

Retr0 25-Oct-20 11:58 PM

At some point someone posted an invite in mod chat

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM

may i have an invite?

Retr0 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM

I can't create one.

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM

darn

HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM

Good to see c.tf is organised

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM

if you are a staff member, Hello!

Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM

Wait. Tyler shittalked me? Oh this is rich

Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM

no it wasnt you specifcially

Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM

@HyperDan just remember i don't look into this

Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM

@Retr0 Your leadership and dealing with things in your control has lead to major improvements and advancements for the Discord. I have seen that first hand, so I have nothing but praise in that regard.

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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM

i don't represent the rest of the mods

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM

it was just something he said where he was like "your jealous i can fuck my girlfriend anytime i want" to someone (edited)

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM

If you are able to think you are able to will updates into existence, hello!

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM

not you specifically

Vipes 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM

Ah

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM

@Alibi agreed

retr0 is a alpha chad and a saint

Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM

See now, apply what Retr0 does, and use it with the entire project.

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM

zonical too

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:01 AM

Or, make Retr0 project leader :Retr0:

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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:01 AM

Retr0 run for the election

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:01 AM

Retro News Network - Valve news reported, properly

Noodle 26-Oct-20 12:01 AM

@Alibi Speaking of apply

Retr0 26-Oct-20 12:01 AM

I need to get this off my chest tho: @Moth🦀 I am sorry. Sorry for not handling your ban case calmly and sorry for causing a storm I didn't want to begin in the first place.

I know you shouldn't scratch old wounds but I had to say this.

Noodle 26-Oct-20 12:02 AM

I was actually trying to get everyone to calm down and take their time to think clearly personally.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:02 AM

im not sure if this is the time or place for this but thanks

its appreciated

Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:03 AM

No @Retr0 this Discord is a mutual ground for everyone, even if it is bringing up old wounds and drama. Some things were never resolved or fixed, this is the time and place to do so.

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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:03 AM

I'm procrastinating working on this tifa2 movement map idea, help

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:03 AM

tifa?

like the ff7 character?

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:03 AM

Titanfall 2 movement

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:03 AM

ah

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:03 AM

They recently added it into momentum mod

I wanted to make a short map testing out ideas wit hit

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:04 AM

oh shit, that sounds interesting

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:04 AM

Wallclimbing is pretty much what they've added

I can show it off if you want

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:04 AM

no grapple yet?

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:04 AM

I have like no experience with it though since I've never played titanfall

I think Gocnak mentioned that might be a plan for the future

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:04 AM

ive played a bunch of it, i fucking love it

grapple go wheee

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:05 AM

Here

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:05 AM

too bad it takes 5 mins to find an aus server lol

u gonna stream it?

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:05 AM

No, not at all

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:07 AM

tbh heres my c.tf dream, 4 head coordinators of the project instead of 1, stop relying on VNN for any publicity, C.TF Youtube which can be run by 1 of the head coordinators who could make weekly development videos or something which would replace the need of VNN

thoughts?

there is obviously stuff missing like Gps and all that

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:08 AM

https://store.steampowered.com/app/669270/Momentum_Mod/ @Moth🦀

Momentum Mod

Momentum Mod is a first-person platforming game built on Valve’s Source Engine that centralizes movement-oriented game modes from various games like Counter-Strike, Team Fortress, Half-Life, and Titanfall. Speed is quite literally the name of the game, with each game mode offe...

Release Date

Summer 2021

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:08 AM

Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:08 AM

@Flourbo If things go well, I have a LOT of plans for things in terms of community interaction. They will need to be organised, but I love doing things like that.

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:09 AM

well if you are wanting help

i got too much experience with that shit

Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:10 AM

I can organise, but content comes from the Community. Case in point, Marty has spent a significant amount of time in his tutorial videos. They need to be showcased and expanded upon.

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:10 AM

hmmm

we should get a group together for a C.TF YT

and propose it

Leia 26-Oct-20 12:10 AM

Noodle and Kaya are working on it as well

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:11 AM

after this stuff of course

Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:11 AM

We won't be just chucking any old videos on there, there will be a bar of quality. But there's plenty of people here that can collaborate.

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:11 AM

sign me up gamer

Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:11 AM

And Youtube is just one system of Many.

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:11 AM

twitch?

Leia 26-Oct-20 12:11 AM

mhm

Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:11 AM

Perhaps. Have you seen my doc?

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:12 AM

i have not read any of them yet

im great with livestream stuff

Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:12 AM

#feedback-docs Give them a read, you'll be surprised at the potential.

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:12 AM

all my overlays, alerts and all that are handmade

Leia 26-Oct-20 12:13 AM

pog

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:13 AM

then i recently got super into photoshop and made this

makes me happy

Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:15 AM

@Flourbo Creators could certainly use that passion

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:15 AM

@Moth🦀

Leia 26-Oct-20 01:12 AM

So I'm done reading all the backlog from last night

We really need to put out a list of points for feedback

So that steph can read it because now I'm self-conscious about my english accent :cringe:

Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:43 AM

Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:43 AM

@rob5300 can you?

pls

Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:44 AM

I've been doing my best to spread the word however I can, including the steamchat.

Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:44 AM

Same I was doing that yesterday

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:45 AM

just add ?servers or some command tht posts a text saying "the servers are down" (edited)

Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:45 AM

^@Retr0 that's for you now

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:45 AM

so people can just go ?servers

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:46 AM

I just woke up to 3000 messages and a ping from here

Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:46 AM

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:46 AM

DAN DONT POST CUM THIS IS FOR SERIOUS DISCUSSION LOL

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 01:46 AM

sorry I don't know what came to me

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:46 AM

Does anyone know the ping, was it important ?

Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:46 AM

TL;DR Moonly joined and apparently things will go down during the team meeting.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:46 AM

it was tyler redpilling moonly @DeLichte

marty 26-Oct-20 01:47 AM

Does anyone know the ping, was it important ?

touge did an at everyone (edited)

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:47 AM

touge posted this image with an @ everyone

Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:47 AM

litche btw

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:47 AM

Thank you

Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:47 AM

>We don't have an issue with communication Literally people asking why the servers are down every 5 minutes because there hasn't been an official announcement across the board.

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:48 AM

Okay so moonly does seem to stand up to VNN so now i kinda feel like an ass

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:48 AM

why would you feel like an ass

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:48 AM

I saw something about head roles popping up?

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:48 AM

tyler is grooming him

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:48 AM

I assumed moonly didnt

Tyler grooming him? In what what way?

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:48 AM

like in the sense that hes grooming him to not accept communtiy feedback

not like sexual grooming

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:48 AM

I haven't seen much of what was sent so i might not know

ohhhh

okay

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:49 AM

moonly is 17 and tyler is like 20something (edited)

and he has a lot of influence, moonly obviously looks up to him

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 01:49 AM

bruh tyler cant be 20

Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:49 AM

I don't think that's the correct word, but it's more Tyler is re-enforcing his perspective.

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 01:49 AM

he acts like a 18 year old

Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:49 AM

There is Very clearly an issue with communication

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:49 AM

yea hes like 23 or some shit

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:49 AM

Is there a screen shot of VNN grooming him? So far what i have seen is evidence of moonly standing up to tyler

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:50 AM

the image i just sent is

Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:50 AM

@DeLichte Standing up? Moonly is agreeing?

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:50 AM

where hes saying shit like "you dont need community feedback just stop listening to people that arnt me

Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:50 AM

Moonly: I don't see any issue with communication

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:51 AM

ahhh i see

What's the context of that ss btw

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:51 AM

Moonly: I don't see any issue with communication

@Alibi proceeds to have the entire discord meltdown due to the removal of a staff member that still hasnt been addressed to this day

touge posted more context after it

Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:53 AM

who

'ed it?

marty 26-Oct-20 01:53 AM

if vnn then

Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:54 AM

yea

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:54 AM

oh yea and moonly joined here and basically him and the staff (possible mods too i dunno if theyre allowed in on this meeting) are going to do a thing to discuss the issues @DeLichte

i predict it will fall through

and tyler will cause problems by refusing to stand down and convince moonly that the people are just out to get him or some shit

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 01:55 AM

mods should be allowed tbh

or atleast Retr0

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:55 AM

or he tries to compromise where he promises hell get stuff done this time for real, even though he didnt the past 6 months of times

i know touge is going to push as hard as he can to be there

seeing as hes effectivly still a staff member with how much he helped with halloween

Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:56 AM

thanks rob

Leia 26-Oct-20 01:57 AM

so we still need to do a list of stuff to bring upon during the meeting that one of the staff members will read

rob5300 26-Oct-20 01:57 AM

tis done. Guess we can do steam too

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:57 AM

Retr0 should be allowed - i dont need to be involved. Im just a game mod. But the guy who's directly above me and help me, Retr0, should be for sure..

Depends on what Kaya and J. think too

Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:57 AM

@rob5300 I think the Steam Group deserves a full announcement explaining all the issues because they have no idea what is happening, the one that does not use discord

Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:58 AM

@rob5300 You didn't tag @Server Status Updates

Leia 26-Oct-20 01:59 AM

not everyone has that tag enabled though

sappho 26-Oct-20 01:59 AM

slinging an accusation like "vnn is grooming moonly" is exceptionally irresponsible and inappropriate

Leia 26-Oct-20 01:59 AM

indeed

sappho 26-Oct-20 01:59 AM

its also very bluntly not even close to true

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:00 AM

i mean they have private meetings where we don't have any idea what they're talking about

Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:00 AM

Retr0 should be allowed - i dont need to be involved. Im just a game mod. But the guy who's directly above me and help me, Retr0, should be for sure..

Same Retr0 should be

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:00 AM

No one said vnn was sexually grooming moonly

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:00 AM

the word grooming is just inappropriate in that context

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 02:00 AM

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:00 AM

Influencing is probably a better choice

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:01 AM

but still aaaaaaaa we need to get a list of things to bring on the table for the meeting tomorrow

if we come up and we have nothing to say, what's the point

Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:01 AM

tomorrow is the day

Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:01 AM

@Leia We just need to fill in Zonicals doc

He's already outlined the points

Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM

Moonly only wants "do that because that"

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM

yeah, just copy-paste everyone's feedback in that doc because that's pretty much the same things

Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM

he wont read that

i mean

maybe

but too long

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM

Moonly only wants "do that because that"

we can do a tl;dr out of zon's doc (edited)

Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM

he just wants the points

yeah...

Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM

Moonly's not going to be reading it, it's going to be VC discussed. (edited)

Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM

ye

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM

He'll listen to rob and steph

and retr0

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM

probably me but i doubt it now

Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM

Retr0 has to get in (edited)

Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM

But they need talking points

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM

probably leia too

Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM

So, we need to fill in Zonicals doc

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM

yeah

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM

zon awake rn?

Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM

So they have something to follow

Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM

I still need to read all the docs

I'm going to now

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM

some people have the audacity to live in NZ

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM

slinging an accusation like "vnn is grooming moonly" is exceptionally irresponsible and inappropriate

@sappho grooming as in "grooming to reject feedback"

Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM

Zon doesn't need to be awake, he's left it unlocked

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM

not inherantly meaning the sexual thing

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM

oh swag

Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM

@Moth🦀 Bad choice of words anyway

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM

yeah but the word is still innapropriate

Noodle 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM

It comes off that way though

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM

thats the only way to put it when tyler is much older and moonly is a minor

and hes using his fame and influence to change moonlys thought process

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM

heeeeeeeh

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM

Moonly's also not an idiot

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I promise you that

Noodle 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM

Influencing

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM

influencing is the word

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM

tyler is 23

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:05 AM

that makes a 6 year difference

Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:05 AM

Moonly's also not an idiot

@DeLichte His response to everything isn't helping. Especially when there are serious communication issues and he just brushes them off

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:05 AM

i mean i suppose i see where you are coming from

but the usage of the word grooming is inappropriate

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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:05 AM

yeah let's move on to something else

what are the bullet points we're going to say

Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM

what are the bullet points we're going to say

@Leia They're already in zons doc

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM

because we have to keep it short and clear, then handout the doc if they want to read it

Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t_SeYtZ4rNPgNAzOeYQg-oREorPf02FB0xCHbPmhlec/edit?usp=sharing

Creators.TF letter to the dev team.

Dear members of the development team for Creators.TF. PREAMBLE The internet pulls us into many strange places sometimes. If you were to show a human 50 years ago what the modern digital age looks like today, it would probably cause sensory overload and it’ll kill them. On tha...

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM

Right, but when steph and rob bring up the concern to him he'll listen. He's stressed out beyond what we can comprehend right now and those closest to him on this project will help us help him.

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM

Yeah moonly isn't an idiot but he lacks a certain maturity

Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM

https://puu.sh/GGDBF/c8e81415f3.png

Noodle 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM

Come at the points as summations and elaborate as needed

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM

Do not pretend I am your mouthpiece

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM

yeah

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:07 AM

Rob and I are independent people and have independent thoughts

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:07 AM

one of my main concerns right now is that moonly thinks i'm the 4chan leaker even though i don't know how this website works

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:08 AM

4chan sucks

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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:08 AM

If he's going to accuse you without evidence, then he has no basis to stand on

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:08 AM

I know, but the reality is that you guy are extremely important to the project and I think moonly hearing this from you two would be better than from someone like moth who is the polar opposite (no offense moth)

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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:08 AM

and this is also very insulting after all the work i've put into that update

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:08 AM

thats why im not participaiting in the meeting @DeLichte

im just here because touge and leia value my opinion as someone in the community

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:08 AM

Did he say that Leia or are you inferring that

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:08 AM

Leia, fuck, i keep forgetting leia

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM

was he like

Flourbo 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM

bruh

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM

joking

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM

just a joke xd

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM

don't think so

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM

Haha funny

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM

not really appropriate to joke about when theres allready high tensions

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM

Good one moonly amirite

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM

that's literally what he told me after joining the server

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:10 AM

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:10 AM

so i'm not sure if i want to be very vocal in the meeting because of that

i feel like this is going to be my last meeting because of that

even though i have a lot to say

Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:11 AM

If you don't stand up for yourself, they will assume guilt.

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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:11 AM

The last thing anyone wants are any staff or members feeling at jeopardy for having something to say

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:11 AM

yeah

i mean

if any of us get laid off, the project is over and the discord is on fire

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:12 AM

Leia, i apologize if you feel like im undervaluing you work at c.tf. You do a lot and I think you're integral for a lot of these processes.

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:12 AM

that's ok

Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:13 AM

I have already talked with Retr0 about what we will do if the Discord is on fire, we are planning things to avoid what happened in the past

But let's hope it does not come to that

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:13 AM

yeah

marty 26-Oct-20 02:15 AM

ngl, most ppl active int he discord rn are either here, or ppl who have no idea about anything. sounds rude, but is the truth (edited)

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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:15 AM

@Kaya https://puu.sh/GGDIg/c68c6686ca.png

Might want to delete this

Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:15 AM

ye done

I'll post rob's message

Retr0 26-Oct-20 02:23 AM

As I said I always want full transparency for mod actions

So

As a follow up to what Kaya said

The plan of action in case a riot/shitstorm breaks out is to utilize the rank roles

In case dead people that haven't even spoken in the server come and take advantage of the chaos in order to rule break

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We lock them down and let the regulars/veterans speak in order to get actual opinions

and not just spam

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:25 AM

hopefully no shitposting by staff during the entire thing

which was an issue where staff would just make jokes and memes while stuff is locked down

Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:26 AM

It's no time for shitpost

1

Retr0 26-Oct-20 02:26 AM

Thank you Kaya

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:40 AM

im hungry

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 02:40 AM

hi hungry

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:40 AM

hi hungry

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 02:40 AM

?????????

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:40 AM

im stuff

Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM

can we not plzzzz

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM

LOL WHAT

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM

im not shitposting

im hungryposting

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM

go eat food

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM

my partner wont make me any

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM

hi hungryposting

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM

learn to cook. top 3 skills i could reccomend anyone tbh

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM

i know how to cook

i just dont wanna

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM

then starve

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM

im hungryposting

@sappho is this where you post a bunch of hungrybox clips, like how touge has his collection of comp frag compilations he posts all the time? (edited)

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM

then Perish

1

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM

then pewish owo (edited)

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM

UwU

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM

Perish the Platypus

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM

the thigh highs, suilla, put them on

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:43 AM

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:43 AM

if you want me to stay as your medic GF then obey

who else will heal you in pubs

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 02:43 AM

@Moth🦀

Attachment: b4nny.mp4 (239.7 KB)

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:43 AM

sowwy

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:44 AM

Attachment: shutthefuckup.mp4 (4.91 MB)

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:44 AM

god i love that vid

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 02:44 AM

WHY IS IT TWO MINUTES LONG

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:44 AM

because its based?

sappho 26-Oct-20 02:45 AM

based

based on what

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:46 AM

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:46 AM

based on the hardware that's inside it

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:46 AM

TRUE

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:47 AM

ANYWAY

i've updated zon's doc with what i could think of

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:47 AM

ok

Leia 26-Oct-20 02:48 AM

it's just bullet points and "this has to change because"

please go edit it with y'alls stuff

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:53 AM

join vc tbh

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:57 AM

Are we wanting to have certain people take roles ? Like community manager and etc? Or is that a bridge too far

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 02:58 AM

Well, we don't know what's gonna happen in the meeting until it happens

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 03:22 AM

this really be a bruh moment

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 04:32 AM

@marty since i know you're good at this, what's the biggest problems with communication?

or @Alibi

im working on that section rn

Alibi 26-Oct-20 04:36 AM

Normally, it's the job of the community manager to mediate between the staff/devs and the community. To bridge that gap, if you will. Right now, the communication between what's happening from the staff is all over the place. Some times announcements aren't pinged correctly, othertimes only the Discord is updated.

People asking on Steam what is going on, people asking in the help channel what was going on because there was no widespread announcement about the API being down.

There needs to be someone, normally the community manager, that ensures all social media is up to date with the correct information. Checking off things like a ticklist. Is Discord updated with correct pinning? Is Steam been updated? Has the website been updated? Has Twitter been updated? Who is doing what? Etc (edited)

The Server Twitter account has been MIA for months.

This is all outlined in my google doc.

Discord cannot be the only source of information and server updates.

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 04:50 AM

marty 26-Oct-20 04:52 AM

@marty since i know you're good at this, what's the biggest problems with communication?

showing that there is something worked on. we make fun of valve bcs we have no idea whether they haven't visited teh tf2 office in 2 years or whether there is a legion of programmers working on shit, we simply have no idea whether something is done same thing with c.tf. we never know when ppl work on something, and who works on something by providing a quick overview of what is going to happen in the next update (e.g. a little blog post about stuff added in sf update: 2 new cosmetic collections, a contract system rework, a few maps, no weapons), then people will know what to expect, while still being surprised when it drops. this also basically kills off overhyping, since the community know what is to come. this way, we can also see who does what, by saying e.g. moonly does the contract system rework, leia picked maps and cosmetics, etc. just showing who works on what, doesn'T need to be specific, but ppl can still get a picture of what to expect

Leia 26-Oct-20 04:53 AM

yeah i already wrote something like that

Alibi 26-Oct-20 04:53 AM

^That is what the community manager would do. Snippits could be provided to them which they could write up the blog posts with

Leia 26-Oct-20 04:53 AM

but please put a tl;dr and "main things to change" first, then the detailed explanation

because moonly won't read a 16 page doc

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 04:55 AM

i mean why does moonly need to see the general overview when the idea is he should be replaced with someone who actually wants to read this stuff

and then implement the changes as moonly said a few hours he is "too busy to do everything"

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 04:56 AM

i feel like im more active when it comes to the events servers than the team is with updates

because i would always talk about casual comp and what i was doing

like where i was, what maps i wanted to add

Alibi 26-Oct-20 04:57 AM

Thing is, staff like Steph have been doing things but they've been completely unnoticed by the vast majority of people because it's not been spotlighted.

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 04:57 AM

i was actively communicating with the discord and getting a lot of crucial feedback

we need more things like this

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 04:58 AM

because quite frankly trying to explain every single issue to moonly and have him try and solve them is a lost cause

hence stepping down and letting someone else handle it

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 04:58 AM

this isnt just for moonly

the entire team is seeing this

Kaya 26-Oct-20 04:58 AM

ZoN you do not imagine how much I've asked people for stuff while doing the Silly Servers

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 04:59 AM

^ this too

this too

im putting this in kaya

Kaya 26-Oct-20 04:59 AM

I mean

Moonly asked for stuff about the update or just gave us insights

But in the mods channel

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 04:59 AM

yeah

thats his only form of talking or communication

just because we're trusted

Kaya 26-Oct-20 04:59 AM

We knew about the update and some content way before it released

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:00 AM

^^^

why can't he do it to the community if we're also just essentially elevated community members

like we think it's all awesome

and it was

ZoN you do not imagine how much I've asked people for stuff while doing the Silly Servers :soldiersweat:

@Kaya can you elaborate more

Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:02 AM

My connectivity isn't optimal right now

I'm stuck in trafic and might lose signal in a few seconds

aaaaa

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:02 AM

allg

Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:02 AM

will write later

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:02 AM

just get it to me asap because it's a really good example of what could be done

Leia 26-Oct-20 05:11 AM

it's either you communicate with no one, or you communicate with everyone

you just can't show mods what we're doing

just because you trust them enough to not leak

Alibi 26-Oct-20 05:11 AM

Question, why would leaks be a bad thing anyway?

Leia 26-Oct-20 05:11 AM

i have no idea

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:11 AM

leaks should only be bad if they have private or compromising information

Alibi 26-Oct-20 05:12 AM

There's always this assumption that everything update related needs to be secret until it's realised. Why?

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:12 AM

if what we've been seeing from the dev chat so far as "leaks", then they dont fall under what i've said

Leia 26-Oct-20 05:12 AM

i mean it's still good to keep the Tainted Tome and Battle Pass secret

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:12 AM

yes (edited)

Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:20 AM

ye

Leia 26-Oct-20 05:22 AM

@ZoNiCaL @Alibi Tyler wants to see the document, can I share a "View" link to it?

Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:22 AM

@Kaya can you elaborate more

@ZoNiCaL Asking to members what maps they would want to see on the silly servers, some lines for the gravestones plugins that represents the discord, asked a few times to some people death run maps or stuff they remembered and could be benefic to the server as a whole?

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:22 AM

@Leia it's not done.

Leia 26-Oct-20 05:22 AM

that's what i told him

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:22 AM

then i am refusing to give the link

he can wait until the meeting

if he does show up

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feel free to screenshot and send

Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:23 AM

Also asked and listened to stuff about the fundays (edited)

Idk all events are related to the community as a whole anyway

Leia 26-Oct-20 05:27 AM

well Tyler is doing his own google form

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:27 AM

on what

whats wrong with c.tf

Leia 26-Oct-20 05:27 AM

yeah or something

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:27 AM

okay then

then screenshot and send him this:

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:28 AM

ok im gonna be really blunt here

tyler needs to have no leighway

Alibi 26-Oct-20 05:28 AM

Tyler lost my vote of confidence with that shitty half assed video.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:28 AM

he needs to be gone, unless he can make some amazing fucking case

he needs to not be trying to debate the will of the entire staff team

Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:28 AM

~~Tomorrow on VNN's channel: Creators.TF's failing explained~~

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:29 AM

you guys dont need to find a common ground with him

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:29 AM

you don't need a google form to tell you whats wrong the project. you have a handful of documents that have already shown valuable feedback, yet so far, you've refused to acknowledge their existence and take them seriously. instead of wasting time making a form, look at what's already there, and whats to come.

@Leia send him that

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:29 AM

you just need to kick him off the project

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 05:29 AM

@Noodle Comp opinions are irrelevant. No way the injector wouldn’t have been banned instantly but I still designed a rework

Alibi 26-Oct-20 05:29 AM

@tougeFS I need your help with HiGPS's part of the doc

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:29 AM

or fuck it let me in the dev server again and i'll talk to him

im willing to roll up my sleeves

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 05:29 AM

I’m going to shower and take my gf to work

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:30 AM

im gonna go eat breakfast and keep writing

i dont have sport for a few hours

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:30 AM

well Tyler is doing his own google form

@Leia there shouldnt be a need for this

unless hes planning a power play

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:30 AM

exactly

my fucking point

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:30 AM

and is writing

"heres a list of staff i want gone for not sucking my cock"

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:31 AM

you don't need a google form to tell you whats wrong the project. you have a handful of documents that have already shown valuable feedback,

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:31 AM

he doesnt need leighway

he doesnt need to prove a point

he just needs to be kicked off the project

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:31 AM

@Leia can i personally ask for a full audio recording of the upcoming meeting?

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:31 AM

multiple people have allready confirmed theyre gonna record it

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:31 AM

oh ok

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM

like touge and leia

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM

if there's any sensitive info dont include it

just focus on what we want

alright brb breakfast

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM

tyler is going to try and shift the narrative

btw

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM

yeah dont worry

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM

hes gonna try and cause infighting and doubt

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM

we've got a plan

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM

that he should be given a 2nd chance

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM

okay

if he tries anything

i want to be there

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:33 AM

that it isnt entirely his fauly

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:33 AM

it's not but he's got such a major role in it

that it cant go unnoticed

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:33 AM

the man who says "any project thata doesnt involve me is going to fail" isnt going to leave without a fight

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:33 AM

i personally dont care if my reputation in the source engine community is ruined by telling tyler to go fuck himself (edited)

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:34 AM

a lot of people in the sourcemod community would love to hear you say that

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:34 AM

ive already lost my dignity and im willing to go into the negatives

ive got nothing to lose

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:34 AM

the only people who like tyler are either close friends or fanboys

Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:34 AM

Don't worry the whole staff is already aware he could turn things around like he did with Touge.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM

yea, and sorry if i have doubts but i can see this easily falling through where tyler sweet talks his way into convincing people they should drop this idea yall got here (edited)

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Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM

Have you seen the OF meeting?

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM

yep (edited)

Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM

I'm exactly thinking of that.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM

thaats exactly what i mean

marty 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM

where the entire team slowly gets convinced to be on his side

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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM

He doesn't need to be an intelligent perseon, as long as he is persuasive, he has a chance of beating us, and we cannot allow that to happen

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:36 AM

due to sweet talking and threats

shit just needs to be done and done, he doesnt need room to argue

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:36 AM

we have what like

15 people here

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:36 AM

touge wasnt given room to argue, not the first time, nor the second

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:36 AM

and close to a 1/3 of the staff behind us

we have a voice

we just need to fully show it

and not give in

Leia 26-Oct-20 05:37 AM

he's fucking getting on my nerves

my body is entirely shaking

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:37 AM

did you send him my message leia

Leia 26-Oct-20 05:37 AM

basically, nano and tyler agree that what we're doing (a feedback doc from some members of the community) is not representative

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:37 AM

the worst case scenario is the staff members who arnt in here group up and stan tyler or whatever

nano disagrees huh?

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:38 AM

"is not representative"

Leia 26-Oct-20 05:38 AM

so tyler is doing a survey so that everyone can answer

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:38 AM

so tyler is doing a survey so that everyone can answer

@Leia like what you and i did back in september?

he shouldnt be given access to do this

Leia 26-Oct-20 05:38 AM

yeah, and i linked to it

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:38 AM

he should be told to keep his fucking mouth shit till the meeting happens

Leia 26-Oct-20 05:38 AM

i showed him the results

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:39 AM

if he wants to start trying to influence the community to try and make people go on his side then the meeting isnt going to work

where people will see it as a coup

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:39 AM

So how do we stop him

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:39 AM

and there will be more backlash than its worth and will probably kill the project

So how do we stop him

@HyperDan tell him to sit his ass down and not try to do any public info till the meeting happens (edited)

explain that all hes doing is going to cause tension between him and staff, aswell as cause massive drama in the community

which isnt needed right now when your project is on its deathbed

Leia 26-Oct-20 05:40 AM

i don't think he'll understand that

Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM

Oh dear.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM

then his perms to make any form of announcement should be removed

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM

okay

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM

like right fucking now

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM

he doesnt

he isnt in the discord

and even if he was

he has no roles

Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM

He can't make anything rn

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM

yea till moonly decides to give his best friend owner perms

or moonly publishes it for him

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM

he wont

i know he wont

moonly is not that stupid

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:42 AM

teens are inherantly stupid zon, no matter how mature they are

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:42 AM

i know

i am one

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:42 AM

people make rash decisions for people they like and look up to

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:42 AM

if in whatever case this happens im immediately coming back to the discord

Retr0 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM

ping me if you want your roles back

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM

basically things need to be kept private so an attempt at a smooth transition can be done

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM

That's never gonna happen with tyler

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM

we need to get this letter done asap

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM

making a polll like "should vnn be on the project" will be biased

because

fanboys

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM

if he wants to make a poll

we'll @everyone

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM

theyll see tyler and not understand why he shouldnt be on the project

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM

Zonical, want me to write something

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM

we'll goto the steam group

@HyperDan yes please

literally goto the doc

find a section

and go for it

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:44 AM

if he makes a poll there should be an @ saying this poll isnt endorsed by creators and was made without permission

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:44 AM

we're working on the moonly section rn

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:44 AM

to try and limit the damge

otherwise people will start asking why tyler was removed when theyre their favourite youtuber

ideally you put him on probation

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:45 AM

do I mention the vipes drama

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:45 AM

due to everything going on

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:45 AM

like the @here thing

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:46 AM

put that in the drama section

but we'll get there

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:46 AM

anytime someone is being investigated internally for their actions they should be under probation

so they cant just cause havok

its standard procedure, to stop issues rising up that will make the investigation and removal process more difficult

fish 26-Oct-20 05:48 AM

^ make sure tyler cant cause any more problems while we're trying to deal with the issues he has already caused

plus, might want to get something prepared in case tyler is fully booted

so people dont suddenly wonder why he vanishes from everything associated with the project

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:49 AM

"in case" implies the end goal isnt his complete removal from the project and only being treated like an actual journalist

fish 26-Oct-20 05:49 AM

true

but you know what i mean

in case it actually all goes to plan

and we dont have issues regarding his removal

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:49 AM

yep

there needs to be statements and stuff ready

any time theres an investigation into an indivisual in a company or project theyre put on probation for this reason

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:50 AM

Why is Tyler in the server?

Everything links to his social accounts

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

?

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

you need to deal with this

like

right fucking now

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

what

is he in

IS HE IN

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

yes

fish 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

oh no

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

@Retr0

fish 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

he fucking joineed

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

its time

fish 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

ah shit

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

if this is real

fish 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

it is

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

it's fucking tyler dude

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

IM COMING

IM OCMING

fish 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

its his legit account

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

you need to deal with it right fucking now and mute him or some shit to stop him from causing damage

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

sappho 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM

what dmg

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:52 AM

i dunno start shittalking and trying to convince people your trying to preform a coup (edited)

Retr0 26-Oct-20 05:52 AM

mod given

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:52 AM

hes egotistical as fuck he isnt going to do gown without causing a fight or something

sappho 26-Oct-20 05:52 AM

idk i have to poop

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other ppl are managing it like retr0 and zon

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM

can confirm it's the legitimate him

yeh

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM

anyways

fish 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM

just posted a doc

yep

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM

deal with this

fish 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM

oh boy

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM

before shit happens

fish 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM

here we go

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM

delete it or some shit, unless you want to endorse whta hes doing

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM

whats the doc

sappho 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM

i think u guys r overreacting

he is still part of the team and its a simple survey

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:54 AM

yea and why is he doing it when hes under investigation to be removed

why does he want email addresses

sappho 26-Oct-20 05:54 AM

hes not particularly

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 05:54 AM

what's the doc

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:54 AM

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 05:54 AM

i c

sappho 26-Oct-20 05:54 AM

i am going to bring it up tomorrow but im not like aiming to get him Deleted from the team

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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:54 AM

i mean everyone else agrees he needs the boot

fish 26-Oct-20 05:55 AM

^

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:55 AM

hes trying to act like he cares all of a sudden

and that he always wanted to listen to feedback (edited)

fish 26-Oct-20 05:55 AM

was kind of one of the pillars we needed to deal with, dropping him from the team

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:55 AM

so when hes booted he can cause a shitstorm saying he was in the middle of helping (edited)

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:55 AM

umm

tyler has his role

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:55 AM

why did he just drop it without getting an OK from the team

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:55 AM

he does not have announcer

he cannot make any announcements

@Retr0 you seeing this

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM

if i were you id delete the doc

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM

no

we're not going to

it's not public

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM

it seems to be mde without going through the larger staaff team

it literally is public

the doc as in

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM

wait

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM

the thing he posted

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM

oh

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM

fish 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM

yeah

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM

the "survey" he wants you to do

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM

he's done it like once

who cares

if he gets like 5 people

then who cares

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM

yea and the fact that hes trying to save fce now and do shit without going through staff

Retr0 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM

he can post messages in announcements

but cannot ping

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM

ok brb

fixing this now

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM

hes going to cause fuck ton of problems and i cant wait for it to be "i told you so" part 2

just posted it again

Retr0 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM

what are you going to do?

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM

He can't just be fucking allowed to do this, he is 100% doing this to get an alibi to tell others

fish 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM

posted it again

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM

who endorsed this on your team

other than him

if hes the only one pushing for this its a power play

he should be going through the team

not acting on his own

like leia had to do

you dont just start posting random surveys without an OK

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:58 AM

done

deleted

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:58 AM

you dont just go into a project you ghosted for months on end to get "feedback" without consulting the actual team of the project

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:59 AM

i know

i've deleted it

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 05:59 AM

pog

so it begins

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:59 AM

good

if hes goign to do shit like this, it should go through the team first

he shouldnt just be able to make decisions for the project like that

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:00 AM

it is going thru the team

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:00 AM

we can still block it if we really wanted it to

but it'd look bad

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:00 AM

it wouldnt!

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:00 AM

Is it though Steph?

Who approved this?

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:00 AM

Its being discussed in devgen

Chill ya tits

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM

He literally randomly joined and spammed it, if this was approved beforehand, then this wouldn't be as convoluted and complicated

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM

you see this is what i meant by people convincing tyler to go on his side @Kaya

see why i was worried shit would go through

and how easy it is for him to get the staff on his side

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM

You can't just discuss it RIGHT NOW as he joins and posts it

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM

you need to give tyler NO leighway with this shit

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fish 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM

this should've been discussed before it was posted

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM

He should have gained approval BEFORE he posted it in general.

fish 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM

^

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM

otherwise he WILL cause problems

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:02 AM

dont worry

literally all the active people arent buying his bullshit

Alibi 26-Oct-20 06:02 AM

https://puu.sh/GGH5H/978ee20597.png Literally doesn't care.

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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:02 AM

I don't care if I get banned from the public server for going against him

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:03 AM

literally all the active people arent buying his bullshit

@ZoNiCaL steph seems to

and theyre one of the main people who are actually able to put pressure and make this happen

like if push comes to shove shit can get leaked to show he isnt being genuine

ideally id DOES NOT come to that

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:03 AM

i can always stop it if i really wanted it to

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:03 AM

chill

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:03 AM

but if hes gonna play dirty and try and influence the community to veto any decion to remove him

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:03 AM

moth chill

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:03 AM

touge and i have talked about this

at large

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:04 AM

if i believe it's in bad faith im not going to allow it

i as a mod am above the team on the discord

i believe with all the evidence i have been given here

this survey is in bad faith

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:04 AM

I do believe this is in bad faith

As soon as OUR feedback was mentioned, Tyler does this

This isn't a coincidence

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:04 AM

yea

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:05 AM

@Retr0 your thoughts?

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:05 AM

I-

uhm

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:05 AM

I do not believe for one fucking second this is being done with good intentions

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:05 AM

I am just watching over general

and yeah...

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:05 AM

he needs to be kept on a leash and under probation untill the investigation and meeting regarding his (and moonlys) future on the project happens

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:05 AM

if it is posted in #announcements

can i delete it

its your call

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:05 AM

this whole thing is just sus

no it's not my call

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM

Retr0, it is your bloody call

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM

your head mod retr0

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM

You're head mod

Alibi 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM

He just waltzes in and suddenly he cares?

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM

it is literally your call

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM

you're head mod

i want to know from you

tell me what you want me to do

and i will do it

you are far more knowledgeable than me

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM

That I don't agree with a random ass form being posted by Tyler that literally joined out of nowhere?

Yes.

Noodle 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:07 AM

Unless Moonly or any other staff member states otherwise. (edited)

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:07 AM

i believe this survey in general is in bad faith

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if it is posted in announcements

can i delete it and state a public reason

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:08 AM

Yes.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:08 AM

he needs to be kept on a leash and under probation untill the investigation and meeting regarding his (and moonlys) future on the project happens

@Moth🦀 This TBH

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:08 AM

thank you.

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:08 AM

But please do give a reason if anything like that happens

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:09 AM

yes.

i will

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:09 AM

i literally just told kaya about this but ill repeat it since its actually happenign now

rob5300 26-Oct-20 06:09 AM

Please be careful if you delete something like this. You best discuss with the staff member who posts it first

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:09 AM

tyler is trying to convince you he shouldnt be removed, that it isnt his fault, that he should be given a 2nd chance

fish 26-Oct-20 06:10 AM

tyler is the one posting it mate

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:10 AM

hes trying to make it seem like hes trying to help the project by coming out of nowhere

and if he manages to convince you all to drop this entire rework project

rob5300 26-Oct-20 06:10 AM

I don't know if he will post anything again. Just warning you to not act carelessly

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:10 AM

then that would be kinda sad to see

fish 26-Oct-20 06:10 AM

he's posted several times

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:10 AM

since youve actually got a thing going on here

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:10 AM

do I really need to convince james that tyler gives no fuck and risk being anned

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM

Is carelessly defined as: Tyler posting and literally spamming the form numerous times?

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM

and to just let it fall because you want to "give tyler and moonly" another chance then this project will die

fish 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM

just drop it lol

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM

@rob5300 i believe this survey is in complete bad faith as tyler wants to make himself look good for his own personal gain

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM

@rob5300 i kinda feel alone explaining myself about the document we're doing in devgen though

i don't know how to explain to nano what we're doing

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM

let me in devgen and i can help you

of course thats a little careless

and i doubt you'll EVER do that

you'll probably get kicked if you did so but

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM

i don't know how i can do that anyway

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM

fair nuff

i dont wanna go into conspiracy loopy land

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:12 AM

bah

ill msg nano later bout stuff

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:12 AM

im not trying to block this survey to try and better us by the way

im blocking it because based on all of the evidence that ive seen here

Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM

Can someone do me a TL;DR please (edited)

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM

plus the incoming staff meeting discussing this

Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM

I just came home

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM

tyler has made a 'feedback survey'

joined the main disc

fish 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM

tyler has just spammed a feedback survey into general without staff consent

Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM

OH COME ON

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM

started randomly posting it without consent

fish 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM

yep.

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM

ive deleted it

it's now going through the team

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM

Tyler made this feedback survey after being informed of our feedback thing

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM

and it will be deleted if it gets posted in #announcements

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM

what is he even doing in general

I swear if he wants to start a riot...

Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM

I need to catch up

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM

brb

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM

Stephanie, will you take this fucking seriously

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM

yea, remember what i said about tyler trying to get people on his side to undermine the entire rework @Kaya (edited)

hes doing that

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM

@sappho you are not helping

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM

like right fucking now

Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM

Retr0

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM

and people like steph and nano are believing him (edited)

Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM

Can I ask you one thing

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM

Sure

Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:15 AM

Can you grant me more permissions while this thing is around?

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:15 AM

whoever unpinned that u suck

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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:15 AM

thanks, love you too steph

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and Kaya I will do so if we need any help

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:15 AM

i think yall should cool it with the conspiracies about tyler

Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:15 AM

let me know if

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM

@Retr0 you can give them

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM

sure

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM

hes not an evil genius mastermind lol

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM

im busy rn

fish 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM

yes

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM

i'll be back soon

fish 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM

we know he isnt a genius thanks

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM

i think yall should cool it with the conspiracies about tyler

@sappho is it a conspiracy to say he all of a sudden prepred a feedback document out of nowhere when he learnt people were sick of him being on the project, despite having a history of saying to moonly he doesnt want community feedback? (edited)

steph i dont think your taking this seriously

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM

Yes, but trying to prove his innocence by suddenly appearing with a feedback document to say "ACHKTUALLY I WAS HELPING WITH FEEDBACK" is not a fucking concern, in the slightest?

Steph, do you really want Tyler gone or not? You have to take this seriously.

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM

ACHKTUALLY

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM

like i dont wanna be rude

but you dont seem to be taking this seriously

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:17 AM

ok listen

Tyler came in devgen saying we should compile everything that is wrong with the project

I told him people are already doing it

He then said that well-known community members, mods and staff members is not representative

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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:17 AM

im not taking it as life threateningly seriously as some ppl in here, no

fish 26-Oct-20 06:18 AM

yes because he is an idiot and whats to undermine what we are trying to do in here

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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:18 AM

I can say that I'm kind of mad he just took my job of making community surveys to do his own

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:18 AM

He then said that well-known community members, mods and staff members is not representative

@Leia which is why he needs to be on fucking probation???????

?????

fish 26-Oct-20 06:18 AM

agreed, please stop this from continuing

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:18 AM

because the fact that hes going to cause problems by trying to undermine the feedbacak of the staff and community

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM

nano agrees with what tyler said

fish 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM

unfortunately

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM

yea because hes trying to undermine this entire operation

convince people he isnt bad

and that he should stay

and all this will be for naught

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM

He then said that well-known community members, mods and staff members is not representative

Then who the fuck consists of Creators.TF?

fish 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM

apparently not the staff

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM

Stephanie, please realise he is doing this to manipulate your opinion on him to get you on his side, do not sway towards him. We cannot allow Tyler to get his say in this.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM

noone fucking listened to me with my feedback in april till september, and then SF happened which was my I TOLD YOU SO moment

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM

He has done this before with Open Fortress and he will do it again with us. Please be wary. Please.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:20 AM

dont make the same mistake and ignore the issues the community are having right now

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Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:20 AM

Attachment: Freaking_the_Fuck_Out.wav (636.51 KB)

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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:20 AM

do we need to link the clip that shows tyler slowly getting the OF dev team on his sides via coercion and threats (edited)

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:20 AM

....,?

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:21 AM

i guess we do?

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:21 AM

I think youre expecting me to hate tyler very strongly with exceedingly little evidence

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:21 AM

tldr tyler had a meeting with OF, they disagreed with him but via coercion and threats (from "valve legal") he got the entire OF project on his side to get the github closed down

nah this isnt about hating tyler

its about realising your project is about to die (edited)

and tyler is one of those reasons

do you not give a shit about preserving this project

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM

i think i would say this a little better

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM

hes done this before (edited)

we literally have the OF team clip

of him doing exactly this

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM

not in an alarmist way or whatever

but like

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM

i think you are being overly alarmist, and I understand your concerns with how things are going

which js why we have a staff meeting tomorrow

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM

^^

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM

and the feedback doc had been pulled

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM

yea and why is he trying to cause issues now before that (edited)

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM

becausw its not endorsed by the team

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM

put him on probation

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM

Tyler McVicker is a detriment to this project. You need to realise this. His survey being made right after being told that we're making one is his attempt at trying to prove that he cares about the project. If it wasn't brought up, he would not be doing this. He wouldn't give a shit. He is getting directly involved because it threatens his position in creators

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:23 AM

which has been plainly stated in dev chat

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:23 AM

and make sure he doesnt do more stunts

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:23 AM

i dont have that power nor authority

at least at the moment

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:23 AM

https://youtu.be/ABFgPYCThN0

Mr.megacham

OFTeam + Tyler McVicker Meeting

Leaked convo found in 4chan of Open Fortress Development Team and Tyler McVicker from VNN (Valve News Network) https://gofile.io/d/tAwESy

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:23 AM

his attempt at trying to prove that he cares about the project

it's literally because he doesn't believe that a few "handpicked" people from different groups is relevant nor representative of the project

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:24 AM

ok im back

whats going on

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:24 AM

steph doesnt seem to realise tyler has a history of using coersion, threats and lies to get his way with the project

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:24 AM

We weren't even handpicked? We were the ones who wanted to do this ourselves, then you asked others around if there were interested. No one was specifically picked.

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:24 AM

also

guys

i agree with @sappho here

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:24 AM

and he needs to be put on a leash before he causes more problems

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:24 AM

we should calm down a bit

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:24 AM

r e l a x

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

There is no question here VNN needs to go.

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

i am aware of the of and tf2c drama

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

yes tyler needs to be looked at

BUT

guys

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

Can you at least see the glaringly obviously problem and implications of this regardless?

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

thats tomorrow

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

will there even be a tomorrow

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

can we please do what we've come here to do

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

finish the doc asap

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

if tyler causes issues

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

organise our document

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

whats the point in tomorrow

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

gather all of our evidence

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

please, everyone just go on that gdoc

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

tyler cannot do anything more right now

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

if all the staff members get convinced he needs to stay

whats the point

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

its ok

dont worry

its going to be ok

@Moth🦀 i know you care a lot

we just need to be patient

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

it really isnt since this is literally what he has a history of doing retro

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

and take our time

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

its on the docket

rewax.

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM

if we rush what we do

then there's no point

just take a breather

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM

theres a good chance of him becoming a "partner" along with higps

but i unno

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM

please

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM

we just have to play our cards right

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM

it needs to be discussed

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM

just go on the gdoc

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM

zon, this is literally what kaya said when i brought up the concern of tyler causing issues, right before tyler joined the discord aand caused issues

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t_SeYtZ4rNPgNAzOeYQg-oREorPf02FB0xCHbPmhlec/edit

Creators.TF letter to the dev team.

Dear members of the development team for Creators.TF. PREAMBLE The internet pulls us into many strange places sometimes. If you were to show a human 50 years ago what the modern digital age looks like today, it would probably cause sensory overload and it’ll kill them. On tha...

take all of your energy

and put it into this document

right now

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM

i dont have a super strong issue with tyler

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM

Yeah I’m convinced most people are either just willingly ignorant or borderline brain dead

If you can’t see what hes done in the past

And what he’s doing here

There’s really no words for that level of gullibility

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:27 AM

put somewhere how many we are to write this

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:27 AM

I pray you never have an abusive partner because you all are fucked if you end up with one lmao

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:27 AM

the fact that people on the staff team are falling for tylers ruse

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:27 AM

i did @tougeFS

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:27 AM

the fact that youd throw away this project so easily

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:27 AM

anyway

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:27 AM

guys

go to the conclusion

and write your name and who you are (edited)

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:28 AM

Knock it off

Dont patronize me

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:28 AM

^^^^

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:28 AM

leave steph alone

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:28 AM

im not just talking steph here btw

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:28 AM

I'm sorry Steph, I'm just very alarmed and concerned.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:28 AM

im talking about the team at large

like nano and possibly rob for believing this BS

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:28 AM

steph can believe in whoever the fuck she wants to

Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM

HOW DO I MAKE A NEW LINE

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM

you guys are literally forcing people to join us by the neck

that is NOT what we are here for

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM

I made it for you kaya

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM

do you understand

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM

ctrl enter

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM

we are here to better c.tf (edited)

not to have a coup

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM

is it fair to call myself a jump community representative here or nah

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM

i get you are all concerned

but just relax

Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM

thanks dan lmfao

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM

it'll all happen in due time.

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM

since it wasn't by delegation or whatever

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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM

so @Moth🦀

please relax a bit

and just give it time

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:30 AM

zon pls

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:30 AM

and that goes for all of you

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:30 AM

in the end just try to remember everything i said about tyler

so when things go tits up i can say i told you so

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:30 AM

right since no one is answering im putting it in

Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM

Actually I'll read the doc and sign after

oop oop

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM

my timmy

tummy

hurts

my Timmy. My Timbs

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM

have you tried paracetamol

Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM

Hyper that is cringe

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM

remove the jump community line

Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM

I asked like twice and no one answered dude

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM

Anyways

Probs should delete this server now

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM

Why

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM

It’s pretty apparent this has been a huge waste of time

Because nothing is going to fundamentally change

Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM

https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-wtf-blinking-okay-gif-7513882

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM

Because nothing is going to fundamentally change

@tougeFS Do not give up now.

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM

@tougeFS this is not a waste of time

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM

we havent even had the meeting yet you goblin

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM

If you give up you'll just be giving in

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:33 AM

VNN will promise to give you some meaningless role, you’ll be content with it since it’s your promotion and content will continue to be shit lol @sappho

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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:33 AM

We still have so much to do

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:33 AM

stop trying to strongarm me by threatening to delete ur illuminati server. if u really genuinely care u will give me a legitimate valid document to present

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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:33 AM

tyler is making his power play (edited)

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:33 AM

If all it takes was him posting a survey for you all to ignore everything he’s done in the past and immediately begin sucking him off I don’t have to guess how the meeting will go.

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM

i am one of the people who told him to stop posting it

Knock it off.

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM

Steph, we're literally writing it

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM

He isn't convinced right now.

You need to convince him.

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM

Three of us or more have already written documents

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM

I'm with Steph here.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM

you dont

you dont need to convince him

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM

You guys need to chill.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM

you just need enough people saying he needs to get the fuck out of the project

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM

You have until tomorrow to write the best document possible

And that's what we want with this document

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM

the doc is a waste of time

heres what it will do

hell "read" it

say it doesnt matter

due to the people who wrote it not being his friends or whatever

and then hell coup the project

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM

Then that's his problem

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM

making a power play like touge said above (edited)

yea it is

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM

Didn’t VNN literally say a server full of staff, mods and community members isn’t relevant

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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM

Yes

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM

but its also your problem

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM

but we still have to deliver something

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM

But sure this document will convince him!

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM

if you want the project to not die

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM

otherwise tomorrow's meeting will be useless

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM

You can just call a vote of no confidence if you need

This is YOUR CHANCE to have your voice heard

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:36 AM

where did he say that

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:36 AM

@Leia can you grab where he said that

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:36 AM

Like a legit voice instead of just " fuck Tyler McVicker"

Because of course he won't read it if it's just that

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:36 AM

where did he say that

@sappho https://discordapp.com/channels/769683973051645952/769683973734793228/770003206406537267

@Leia can you just get a screenshot of that message

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:36 AM

i'll just screen the whole convo if you agree steph

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:37 AM

just do it anyway at this point anything involving tylers actions should be transparent

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:37 AM

i think that's enough

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:38 AM

i c

lmfao

just completally dismissive

Alibi 26-Oct-20 06:38 AM

Tyler waltzing in and declaring he cares is really getting on my nerves.

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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:38 AM

about all the work thaats been done prior and is being done now

fish 26-Oct-20 06:38 AM

This should be something everyone on theam team should be able to overlook, no?

it literally is

this is painful to read

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:39 AM

watch leia get kicked for "leaking" this

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:39 AM

i mean

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:39 AM

They might

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:39 AM

moonly probably put me on his watching list if one exist

but like steph

understand this

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:39 AM

Yeah this shit is doomed GG

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:39 AM

i'm not doing this because i find it funny

i'm doing it with a reason

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM

Go agane on a different project

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM

@tougeFS do not give up mate.

You wanted this to happen.

You wanted to be on the team again.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM

yea because he thought people would take this seriously

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM

i haven't leaked the dev server before because i'm not a loser, like you say

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM

“Surely VNN won’t cause any issues!”

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM

Think about how far we've come so far for change.

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM

but this is getting critical about the project's future

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM

zon at some point you need to look realisticaally

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM

@tougeFS Please, do not give up. You have to see this through. If it fails, it fails and we can focus on BL. And if it doesn't, we can all rejoice and be happy that we saved this project.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM

and not about "hopefully"

you need to look at the facts and prescident

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:41 AM

I want this to succeed as much as you do

I know Tyler is doing the complete wrong thing right noe and I want him out as much as you do

But simply screaming "FUCK YOU TYLER MCVICKER" does absolutely nothing to help

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:42 AM

just booting him off the project with as much ease as he did to touge would do wonders to help actually

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:42 AM

Booting him off would be wonderful

But you've got to approach it seriously

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:42 AM

@sappho do you realize that firing me for leaking stuff while i put so much work on this update, said and showed several times i love this project, would be fucking stupid and insulting?

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:42 AM

And not just screeching and flailing your arms around

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:42 AM

is she reporting this leak in dev chat @Leia

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM

i'm just saying this casually

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM

sometimes asking nicely stops working

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM

that doesnt answer the question

is steph trying to get you removed for the leak you just did (edited)

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM

don't think so

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM

i hope not

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM

Let's say that ok, administration doesn't care about Leia and they get booted. Think about the community at least, about the mods.

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM

snitches get the entire project killed because theyed rather be petty (edited)

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM

Steph wouldn't do that.

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM

i am not saying IM gonna do it

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:44 AM

Someone else might

sappho 26-Oct-20 06:44 AM

brb shaving

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:44 AM

VNN and moonly could literally just be in here and join a VC

but nope

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:44 AM

Well then it's their fault

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:44 AM

i mean i hesitated about telling him about the discord

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:44 AM

We've just gotta keep going then

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 06:44 AM

i am not saying IM gonna do it

anon user #54987390 on 4chan will tho

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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:45 AM

bruh

i am not saying IM gonna do it

that's not reassuring ngl

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:45 AM

gonna go on tf2g and post cum now

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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 06:45 AM

yeah what a sketch way of putting it

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:46 AM

I'm doing this because I legitimately care about this project

I don't want it to fail

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And I'm using whatever is my power to have things get changed

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:47 AM

and its a shame noone realises the gravity of the situation (edited)

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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:47 AM

c.tf is literally what gets me out of bed every morning

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 06:47 AM

nah cause as long as I get my promotion, it's all good

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:47 AM

and tyler or whoever in the team would kick me for irrelevant things?

like

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM

c.tf is the reason I started working on discord bots

Just saying

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM

do you realize how much time i spent on this?

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM

do you realize i'm practically burnt out of my work and can't get myself to write for the next update yet?

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM

seriously whats stopping yall from just voting tyler off

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM

i said i would take a break this weekend

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM

and then making a public statement on it

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM

i wasn't able to

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM

yea but if more of the staff here were serious about this

then it would be EZ

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:49 AM

nah i'm talking about my break

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:49 AM

ah

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:49 AM

i wasn't able to take one

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:49 AM

theres no shame in ditching the project tbh

youve put in as much effort as you can

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:49 AM

i care too much about this project to let it go

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:49 AM

and if you dont get the respect and recognition you deserver then its their fault, not yours

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:49 AM

and we all know what will happen if the discord knows about me leaving the project

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:50 AM

touge pulled a

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:50 AM

wdym retr0 (edited)

OH (edited)

@tougeFS are we leaking shit now or? (edited)

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:51 AM

Plan C already? That was quick

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:51 AM

are we just going with the public pressure route?

since plan B of voting him off and getting the staff to handle them itself isnt working

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:51 AM

just just

whatever you do

finish the doc

like make it public

@tougeFS whatever your plan is, we should release the doc at some point

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 06:53 AM

drop the nukes

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:54 AM

I will just clear this: whatever your actions are, if they are rule breaking you are getting punished. Just because I agree to some points doesn't give you the right to disobey the rules. (edited)

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:54 AM

^^^^

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:54 AM

Mods have every right to act regardless

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:54 AM

https://tenor.com/wfui.gif

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 06:54 AM

~~time to nuke c.tf general with the entire mb.tf creators drama archive!~~

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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:54 AM

@Leia Am I allowed to ask to come to the meeting at all

Leia 26-Oct-20 06:55 AM

i don't know

Alibi 26-Oct-20 06:55 AM

It's your doc Zoncial.

Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:55 AM

~~time to nuke c.tf general with the entire mb.tf creators drama archive!~~

Ima go consume my sandwich now

And watch a movie or something

Hopefully I don't come back to a burning server

fish 26-Oct-20 06:56 AM

unfortunately that looks like what might happen

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 06:59 AM

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:00 AM

tbf not all of it is tyler related

a lot of it isnt relevant to getting tyler off the project as it involves the harassment and bullying c.tf has done

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 07:00 AM

its relevant to this project burning to the ground

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:01 AM

eh im only releasing the tyler package for now

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 07:01 AM

but ofc

weapons at the ready cap'n

fish 26-Oct-20 07:02 AM

well

this is sure to go well

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 07:03 AM

just kidding i remain a relatively neutral party

Leia 26-Oct-20 07:21 AM

Tyler dismissing what I say because i have an "overwhelmed" mind

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:22 AM

screenies plox

Leia 26-Oct-20 07:22 AM

no more screens

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:22 AM

darn

thats the only way to help the project at this point

seeming as literally all the other staff members cant help themselves

sappho 26-Oct-20 07:25 AM

Stop leaking staff chats

Leia 26-Oct-20 07:26 AM

i'm not posting pictures

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:26 AM

Stop leaking staff chats

@sappho Start fixing the project!

Leia 26-Oct-20 07:26 AM

i just have to vent somewhere because i can't accept being dismissed that way

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:26 AM

oh wait its a bit late for that

sappho 26-Oct-20 07:26 AM

I am rapidly becoming disillusioned with this project because it is becoming apparent that people in here are not being reasonable

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You can say something Leia!

We're all adults

youre allowd to tell him

"wtf do u mean by that"

Alibi 26-Oct-20 07:28 AM

And that will be dismissed as well.

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:28 AM

Who the fuck leaked those chats onto the main discord

I want to know right now

Alibi 26-Oct-20 07:28 AM

It's Moth

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:28 AM

Why

Alibi 26-Oct-20 07:28 AM

@Moth🦀 Cut this shit out, it's not helping.

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM

Why the fuck would you do that

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM

neither is sitting around with your thumbs up your asses

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM

Okay

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM

I'm about to have to have a panic attack

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM

cool

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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM

Aren't we fucking all

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM

Because this shit has gone too far

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM

chill zonical

sappho 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM

Rome was not rebuilt in a day

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM

you know who else almost got a panic attack

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM

it'll be alright

Leia 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM

you know who else almost got a panic attack

me

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

Rome was not rebuilt in a day

we havent even destroyed it yet

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

worst case scenario there's some kind of discord riot

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

It's not going to be alright

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

in progress

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

me when i joined this server with the intent to help and got harassed and bulllied for the 1000th time, and then got a half assed apology

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

and even then with slowmode and upload perms

sappho 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

yall are working yourselfes into a fuss

Kaya 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

worst case scenario there's some kind of discord riot

@tougeFS please no

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

im fine going down as a villain now

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

it shouldn't be that hard to deal with

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

Because I'm not going to deal with amother riot

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

you ruined your chance

sappho 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

Ah well there she goes

"You didnt fix this problem in 12 hours? Fuck you, youre gay, and I hate you" (edited)

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

ill probably write up the harassment doc later with all the evidence of c.tf supporting abusers and harassment later though, since that one needs explantion more than links (edited)

Leia 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM

everyone

just

finish this document

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:31 AM

Can we all come to an agreement that communicating with VNN is not a valuable way to spend time?

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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:31 AM

Yes

Leia 26-Oct-20 07:31 AM

because i'm gonna present it to tomorrow's meeting

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:31 AM

And that the large majority of all of our concerns and things we've presented have been ignored

Yes/no

that's all in need from you all

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:31 AM

Yes

「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 07:31 AM

yes.

HyperDan 26-Oct-20 07:32 AM

yes

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:32 AM

@sappho @Alibi

Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:32 AM

"You didnt fix this problem in 12 hours? Fuck you, youre gay, and I hate you"

@sappho dont know why you brought you being gay up, seems like standard victim mentality

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:32 AM

moth chill

Alibi 26-Oct-20 07:32 AM

Yes. But Moth is going to fuck this up if they continue. Honestly, stop this.

fish 26-Oct-20 07:32 AM

moth please can we not?

Kaya 26-Oct-20 07:33 AM

can we like

no

t

?

DeLichte 26-Oct-20 07:33 AM

Maturity or leave. This is getting on my last nerve.

tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:35 AM

Agreed

Kaya 26-Oct-20 07:35 AM

This is literally the last thing we all want

Drama

ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:35 AM

I want to call a vote to remove moth from the server and this movement

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