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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 09:09 AM
Joined the server.
hyperpog
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Leia 25-Oct-20 09:10 AM
Joined the server.
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:10 AM
Joined the server.
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:12 AM
Joined the server.
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 09:15 AM
Joined the server.
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:21 AM
Promo guy here. I didn’t upload
I asked Ertz to as well as to talk it over with Kibble
Don’t know why he thought it was me
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 09:23 AM
Damnit Vipes, more drama? Kappa
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:25 AM
hush
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 09:25 AM
I'm kidding haha
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:33 AM
Joined the server.
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Leia 25-Oct-20 09:33 AM
helo
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:34 AM
Konnichiwa
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:34 AM
Hey Zon. I heard. I’m sorry about everything that happened with you
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:34 AM
It's all good mate
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:34 AM
You really do deserve way more respect than what you get.
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:35 AM
Give me a bit guys, I'm setting everything up.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:35 AM
Thanks, it means a lot
So is the C.TF coup?
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:35 AM
No, not a coup.
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:35 AM
Coup is a strong word
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:35 AM
I hope it never gets to that point.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:36 AM
I mean I just want Tyler gone
And for our feedback to be taken seriously
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:36 AM
More like pointing out the major issues and how it’s killing the project and pretty much everyone involved
Tyler happens to be one said major issue
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:37 AM
I was on the fence about Tyler, but his video on the update pushed me over. God damn embarrassment.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:38 AM
I've only said this to Leia but I'm currently writing a private letter directly to the team
Just about everything I've been told and my experiences
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:38 AM
As I was telling Leia I tried to like the guy but god damn does he rub me the wrong way each chance he gets
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:38 AM
Yeah same
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:39 AM
But what needs to be understood about this Discord, is that this is not a drama discord. This is not the place for chaos and conspiracy. If this is to have a positive impact on Creators, it needs to be done right.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:39 AM
Fair enough, we're not trying to overthrow everything
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:39 AM
From trying to take credit for everything to half assing his PR, to even passing our work as actual valve work
And he calls himself a reporter?
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:40 AM
He is but he's really bad at it
See the update vid
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:40 AM
Oh I did.
Zero effort
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:40 AM
#vnn-discussion
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:40 AM
Not even a link in the description or comments
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Leia 25-Oct-20 09:41 AM
i want to hear what touge has to say about this server (edited)
since it's his idea
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 09:42 AM
This is what I've written so far
PREAMBLE The internet pulls us into many strange places sometimes. If you were to show a human 50 years ago what the modern digital age looks like today, it would probably cause sensory overload and it’ll kill them. On that digital age though is billions and billions of multicolored, unique tiny little specks; each containing something that we’ve created. We are but one of those little specks, Creators.TF.
The internet also brings lots of people together. In our little speck, we’ve managed to assemble thousands of people together to play on our servers to learn, to play, to create new memories, and to have fun. The internet has also assembled the Creators.TF development team, where smart people who specialise in many forms of digital creation come together to make updates for their community servers.
If everything was sunshine and rainbows, I wouldn’t be writing this letter today, and we’d all be playing the latest and greatest updates. Unfortunately, life doesn’t go the way we want it, no matter how hard we try. To put it blunty: there’s a black mold growing throughout the development team. There is something so repulsive that it pisses me off to even think about.
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 09:45 AM
We need a good name for this discord.
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:47 AM
“which leads me to believe that Tyler McVicker may have had some influence in the decision to remove tougeFS from the team.” Firstly it was solely Tyler. There was no vote and if there was he pretty much overruled/veto’d everyone’s votes
Only Tyler had an issue with touge
as far as I know at least
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 09:58 AM
“which leads me to believe that Tyler McVicker may have had some influence in the decision to remove tougeFS from the team.” Firstly it was solely Tyler. There was no vote and if there was he pretty much overruled/veto’d everyone’s votes
@Vipes Yes, this was only from my own perception of what I had seen/told/read but I appreciate the clarification
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 09:59 AM
no problem
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:21 AM
The major issue, or what it seems to be, is Moonly thinking he owes something to VNN.
I don’t know if this is hero worship, Moonly feeling like he owes VNN something, or seeing VNN as an asset to get his and our foot in Valve’s door but whatever it is needs to stop.
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:22 AM
Considering how Valve see VNN, I doubt that would be an issue.
In fact, it would probably be in his benefit to distance himself as far away from VNN as possible.
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Leia 25-Oct-20 10:23 AM
Yeah
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:23 AM
see the thing is, moonly for some reason thinks it's all VNN's idea. Or most of it
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:23 AM
Says who?
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Leia 25-Oct-20 10:24 AM
According to Tyler on stream (the same as the Mannpower update leak), he's in the team of the upcoming tf2 official community updates of 2021
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:24 AM
no, tyler's idea was a "community celebration" video. he was just going to put random stuff people made into a video
Moonly took that "idea" if you can even call it that, and turned it into c.tf
it feels like Tyler's trying to zuckerburg C.TF and the sad thing is Moonly seems to be more than willing to let him
honestly, my whole take on this, is it seems like Moonly thinks he owes Tyler something for creators.tf.
It's the only way it'd explain all the shit that's going on
and tyler is more than content with snapping up all the credit as we've all seen, as well as putting words in the staff's mouth
we never said anything about mannpower. not even a passing mention
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Leia 25-Oct-20 10:28 AM
The only trace of it is a discussion in vc that Alibi probably has a recording of
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:28 AM
as I told the rest of the team, I'd rather work on passtime over mannpower. Mannpower is a broken mess, a format more suited to arena shooters that aren't class based. Passtime has promise and is actually fun. Really only issue is there's not many maps
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Leia 25-Oct-20 10:28 AM
Because Moonly went in public VC to tell us about it
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:29 AM
The only trace of it is a discussion in vc that Alibi probably has a recording of
@Leia No, I do not. I was not in that VC
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:29 AM
speaking of team, I need that orange tag
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Leia 25-Oct-20 10:29 AM
Sad
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:30 AM
there is no redeeming mannpower. you're forcing a square peg in a round hole
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:31 AM
There you go.
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:31 AM
thanks
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:39 AM
And do what? Leave? Cause it's Moonly that's leading all of this. He is the one behind the codebase and the website. He's spent months doing all of this.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:40 AM
Moonly just wants to code
that's it
look at how hard Jon fucked the project
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:41 AM
Exactly, so we can negotiate with him. Convincing him will open all the doors of change we could possibly want.
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:41 AM
Yes, but if we force his hand like that, all we're doing is making it worse down the road. He's going to grow resentment
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:41 AM
or me and stox getting kicked
and how much of a mess that created
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:41 AM
I'm with Alibi on it, we need to convince
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:41 AM
Jon least had the decency to keep everything backed up. He could have fucked it up even harder by deleted everything. (edited)
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:42 AM
Jon already leaked a bunch of shit, including entire discord channels as well as throwing me under the bus not once, not twice, but three times if not more
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:43 AM
Well, Jons gone now and he's not coming back, or anywhere TF2 from last I heard, so that's not an issue anymore.
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:43 AM
touge and stox didn't deserve the axe. Jon did. If he was going to pull that shit, it's good he's gone
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:45 AM
agreed, what i'm saying is
the last thing moonly wants to deal with
is another situation where the discord melts down
and staff leave
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:45 AM
I remember very distinctly that the reason HiGPS got the "Community manager" role was because Moonly didn't want to do it. Now he's stepped down silently, Moonly's been forced back into it. If presented nicely, he won't need much convincing.
Push Moonly too hard and he might just give up on everything, at which point, where would we go from there?
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:46 AM
just don't force moonly's hand. the moment we do so we lose all credibility, no matter how much proof we have
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:47 AM
it's a delicate balance
ovbiously we don't want to make moonly say fuck this and shut it down
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:48 AM
How massive are we talking? I'm only seeing three staff members, and one staff member who was wrongfully booted.
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:48 AM
There is discontent among a lot of the staff about various different things.
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 10:49 AM
im just here to lobby for c.tf to make a class limit of 1 for engie, and remove pyro from the game entirely
tbh
sex
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:50 AM
me, I can easily be replaced. all I really do is act like a guiding hand on some things and moderate the workshop as well as hand out self mades. pretty much anything someone else could do. Leia, not so much can be replaced quickly
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:50 AM
Can you not please.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:51 AM
i'm going to speak to steph, i've spoke to some other discord mods and a few game mods
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:51 AM
I know Kaya is really on board with my community related ideas, and he's said Rob is too.
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 10:53 AM
Where is my self made rocket jumper 😏
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:53 AM
I think we really need to work on getting key figures convinced. Me? I'm not a key figure. Like I said if anything I'm an art supervisor/workshop moderator. Anyone who knows TF2's artstyle as deep as me can take over my spot. Leia is a key figure. Zon is too, at least community wise. Honestly Zon needs to be staff staff (edited)
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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 10:55 AM
Remember Moonley is 17. He's still a kid and I think its important to try our best to look like we are trying to help and not usurp him.
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:55 AM
last time I checked we weren't trying to usurp him anyway. It's VNN that needs the tossing overboard
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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM
He's under a lot of stress right now and I think that's important to remember
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM
yeah moonly is a great guy, he just needs to re-evaluate his role in the project (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM
with those 2 gone
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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM
But we do not know how he will view it despite us knowing our good intentions
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM
and my reinclusion
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM
Moonly keeps selling himself short, and giving Tyler way too much credit
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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM
Right
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:56 AM
we can offer a fix
"take these two off staff, let the guy who did work in on the team again and you can relax and focus on coding"
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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 10:57 AM
Show that we support him and offer him a referendum that shows our support but also our needs and expectations
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:57 AM
But Moonly must be Convinced this is for the betterment of C.TF. That things will be better, and be able to prove it.
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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 10:57 AM
But this is only going to fly if you get staff that actually matter on this. Steph or Rob- mainly
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:58 AM
Yes. Convinced. Not forced. Ultimately it has to come from him, not some mutiny
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:58 AM
absolutely
i know steph on a semi-personal basis
and i know rob is sympathetic to our causes
leia spoke to him earlier
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:59 AM
tyler doesn't deserve co-creator. that title belongs to rob or jota tbh
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:59 AM
can someone download VNNS video
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 10:59 AM
"co-creator" of what lmao
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 10:59 AM
along with screenshots of the description
and lack of links
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:59 AM
Post that evidence in #archive-evidence
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:59 AM
Tyler is somehow the "co-creator" of C.TF. I have no clue how other than Moonly feeling like he owes Tyler something
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:01 AM
@tougeFS #archive-evidence
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:04 AM
touge handwriting reveal pog
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:04 AM
i'm lefthanded if you couldn't tell
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:04 AM
im also lefthanded
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:04 AM
hi touge
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:04 AM
why do you need to timestamp it though like that
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:04 AM
hey zonical
so no one can go "it's photoshopped VNN would never do this"
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:04 AM
ah
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:05 AM
incase he updates the desc
i've got kat on our side
but i don't trust her to not leak shit
so no one invite her here
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:06 AM
What would there be to leak?
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:07 AM
our plan and the people on our side
i want to be fully prepared before this is known
it's better if we're fully amassed with a core group and organized list of changes
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:07 AM
This isn't a secret coup, most of this is already in #Feedback in Creators anyway
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:07 AM
it's more about not letting VNN and GPS see this
if they find out you think they're not going to try to convince moonly we're conspiring against him?
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:08 AM
Well.. I'm certainly not.
And if GPS or VNN lie about that, then we can prove otherwise.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:09 AM
i'd rather play it safe than sorry
the less chance we have of them finding out ahead of time the better
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:12 AM
The more secret this become, the more of a coup it looks. We cross that line, we'll lose all credibility.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:13 AM
did anyone see the start of the letter im writing?
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:13 AM
we just need a day or two to get everything and everyone together
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Noodle 25-Oct-20 11:13 AM
oi, wats all dis den
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:13 AM
I've seen enough powergrabs from malicious admins on my time using Discord to know how bad these can go if messed up.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:14 AM
it's not like we're saying give us the project or we're going to fucking kill it
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:14 AM
we just want reform (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:14 AM
we're simply saying we don't like the way it's going, we want reform
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:14 AM
You see a shady guy down a back ally being all secretive, you're going to assume the worst.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:15 AM
there's a difference between being secretive and shady
and taking time to prepare
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:15 AM
They'll find out soon enough anyway.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:15 AM
yeah
but it's not like tyler can fire anyone
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:16 AM
that's part of it
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:16 AM
What we need to do, Is get Moonly in here, in VC, when everyone is on.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:16 AM
but the more we have
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:16 AM
i want to be in a meeting with literally everyone yeah
also
ik this is probs for #gps-discussion but i swear if he blows this off
like he did with the @here incident
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:18 AM
GPS silently dropping his role as "Community Manager" then proceeding to have 0 known interaction with the community says everything that is needed.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:18 AM
i would honestly be down for yeeting him but that's a whooooooole 'nother bag of worms for a different time
and we dont really want to be throwing people overboard left right and centre
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:19 AM
hey, to be fair, the here was my fault, not gps
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:19 AM
yeah i know
but it's how he handled it
#archive-evidence
and him just blowing the whole thing off as "oh just get over it"
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:20 AM
On a side note, is there any suggestions for additions to this discord?
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:20 AM
i reckon just leave it as is
doesn't need to be too fancy
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:21 AM
True, but it needs to be well organised, and I'm only one member. I may have a lot of ideas, but I don't have them all.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:21 AM
aight steph doesn't seem willing to talk rn
she just seems to want to avoid all potential drama
which is understandable
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:21 AM
i had a bit of a convo with steph last night about how the team handles feedback
and we just talked about moonly and tyler
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:22 AM
That's fine, She is a core part of Creators though. By that nature she'll be involved eventually.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:22 AM
i know she's not exactly happy with it
i'll need to speak to rob when he's available
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:24 AM
Stephs work does need to be commended though, I do have ideas on that.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:24 AM
Can someone speak to Kaya and see how they feel about it?
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:24 AM
yeh
sure
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:24 AM
I've already invited them, haven't responded. Though it is very late
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Noodle 25-Oct-20 11:24 AM
Uncomfortable
I will check back to read through when scrims are over
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:25 AM
Does anyone know any other staff members who share our sentiment?
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:25 AM
i wouldn't know
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:26 AM
ok that's good for today
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:26 AM
does anyone know when leia's original feedback doc was made?
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:26 AM
the best thing we can do is keep compiling feedback
no idea
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:27 AM
like july-august
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:31 AM
@tougeFS
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:35 AM
perfect
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:35 AM
steph just posted this in mod chat
im gonna ask if she wants to join our server
if that's cool with you guys
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:36 AM
go for it
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sappho 25-Oct-20 11:41 AM
why is it green
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 11:42 AM
🤷
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:44 AM
To make it distinct. I'll change it if you have a better idea. @sappho
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sappho 25-Oct-20 11:44 AM
nah its fine
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:44 AM
But yeah, just saw that pin. Yikes.
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sappho 25-Oct-20 11:45 AM
higps doesnt even do anything anyway
i dont think hes even really "community manager"
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:45 AM
He removed himself from the role silently
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:45 AM
hello steph
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sappho 25-Oct-20 11:46 AM
helo
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:46 AM
Don't know if you saw my comment above.
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:46 AM
he also edited his post in the july 2nd announcement I believe which e said he would be lead balancer
he changed that on the 3rd and that was no longer there
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 11:47 AM
i'm just mad he lied about the amount of work i contributed
and he's actively made the base game worse
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:49 AM
☝
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 12:38 PM
So hi, I read everything. (and agree with everything) Took a while for me to be convinced to join but here I am. Now let's save Creators. (after I sleep tho hueh)
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:38 PM
@tougeFS who are half of these ppl
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oh its moth
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youre just inviting random people in here which is mega cringe
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:41 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
if you want the community to help you maybe you shouldnt be rude
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:42 PM
ah i will definitely listen to the person who checks notes organized several harassment campaigns and has been permabanned twice from the discord (edited)
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:42 PM
???
wut
the fuck are you talking about lol
i havnt organised shit
infact ive been helping creators from the shadows this entire time
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:42 PM
you aint done shit (edited)
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:42 PM
tell that to leia
i see your as stubborn as moonly though, maybe it was a mistake to suggest to leia the walkout (edited)
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:43 PM
this isn't about community
it's about the staff team
i don't know why touge is inviting community members
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:43 PM
because i have a bunch of info on the inner workings of creators and evidence thaat would go in #archive-evidence
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:44 PM
how could you possibly have more info than the person with access to every single aspect of the project
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:44 PM
but if your gonna be rude i can just keep it in the private archive and you can go back to spreaking rumors of me aswell as threatening me in the staff channels (edited)
dont think i dont know about you wanting to ban me from the website (edited)
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:44 PM
yes because you leave troll comments on submissions and blog posts
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:45 PM
god your pathetic (edited)
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:45 PM
???????????
lol
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:45 PM
even after months of me not wanting to associate you still shittalk me
when i only wanted to give feedback and shit
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:45 PM
your feedback is not welcome
you are someone who has been expelled from the community twice
for being a shithead
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:45 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:45 PM
shrug all you want
it's true
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:45 PM
and yet here you are starting shit with me when im trying to help
is it really apropriate for you to do this
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:46 PM
i don't particularly want the help of people who have no perspective or footholds inside the project
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:46 PM
bring up a bunch of drama and shit for no reason for the sole purpose of continuing to bully me
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:46 PM
which is why i was leery of touge having this discord exist in the first place
because he is not a staff member either
even if he should not have been removed as he was
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:46 PM
god i should have just redpilled leia into abandoning the project
if this is how im gonna be treated
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:47 PM
groan
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:47 PM
dont worry ill add all this to the collection of times c.tf staaff members have attempted to bully me
👍
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:47 PM
you are a loser
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:47 PM
oh theres the name calling
god why do you hate me so much i just came here since touge personally invited me
youve never even talked to me
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 01:48 PM
Steph, seriously wtf. I know there's bad blood between both of you but you're not making this better.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:48 PM
you think im some kind of troll when you have no fucking clue what went on
you think ive started "harassment" campaigns when in reality all ive been doing is organising community events for my discord server
one which ive been trying to get away from creators for fucking months but people like you and 404 cant fucking stop bringing up
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:48 PM
because all your behavior in the past that i've seen has been negative, towards me, and towards a project i have spent a lot of time on
do you think i am a mind reader?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:49 PM
you act like it when you start saying shit like "you oprganised multiple harassment campaigns" without a fucking clue what your talking about (edited)
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 01:49 PM
And I have seen both sides. Can we cut it out with the pettiness.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM
fun fact ive tried to reach out and solve the issue of bad blood
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM
you're right, i should've worded it better, more like "you oversee a community full of members who have been banned from our main community for harassing other members, among other things"
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM
i got told to fuck off
marty harassed people?
when?
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM
feet?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM
i didnt know touge was harassing people
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM
me?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM
damn jenn must be drawing harassment art too
retro is obviously using his sourcemod ties to make harassment games
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sappho 25-Oct-20 01:50 PM
god this is a pathetic attempt at undermining shit
i'm going to make a group dm with people who actually have a stake in creators
bye
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:51 PM
almost all of the members arnt banned lol
kekw
wow
so
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 01:51 PM
Fuck sake.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:51 PM
theyd rather have creators burn to the ground thaan associate with me
when all i wanted to do was help
i didnt start this arguement i just wanted to help ffs
god why are people so petty
these are the people that are supposed to run the project better than moonly huh? (edited)
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 01:52 PM
if it helps, I have no opinion of you one way or another, but I wouldn't be surprised if you have a bunch of bad ones about me. people tend to
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 01:52 PM
Aaand Steph has me blocked. Wow.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:53 PM
nah vipes your pretty cool
i know you get a lot of shit from like 4chan trolling and shit (edited)
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 01:53 PM
that I do
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:53 PM
but from what i know your pretty cool
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 01:53 PM
thanks
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:54 PM
i just wanted to help out since touge personally invited me, and i have a good idea of the community. why does steph just fucking talk things out
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 01:54 PM
Can we have people here talk and discuss their issues like adults? This is supposed to be a common ground.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:54 PM
instead of starting the name calling and rumours, like a bully, she could like start a proper dialogue
ive tried @Alibi
multiple times
i just get name calling, bullying, and shittalking behind my back
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 01:55 PM
Alright let me get home
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:56 PM
if people would rather ragequit the attempt to save creators than associate with the community theres no hope even under new management
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 01:57 PM
Everyone chill and delete this whole convo @Alibi
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:58 PM
i dont think deleting it is a good idea
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 01:58 PM
About to be home will set shit straight
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:58 PM
point needs to be proven that steph needs to calm the fuck down and have things explained to her about what actually goes on in the larger community
so she can stop with the fucking pettiness ive tried to put behind me months ago
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 01:58 PM
this isn't about community This is about the staff team
The two are intertwined. Steph was out of order there no matter the history. (edited)
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 01:59 PM
yep, the major issue with the project is the lack of community transparency
and to just restructure and go back to ignoring community feedback will kill the project (edited)
god im actually kinda sad shit turned out like this
like i just want to fucking help, but i guess that cant fucking happen can it since i just organise "harassment campaigns" or some shit (edited)
there really is no hope is there
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:04 PM
I have a bad feeling that everyone here that's either staff or discord staff is going to be cut after what happened. I can't just shake the feeling steph is gonna say something
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 02:04 PM
if steph would rather nuke the project than associate with me
well thats just kinda sad isnt it
to just destroy a project so many people love and enjoy, which ive only tried to help, because of some fucking biases they refused to sort out (edited)
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:05 PM
I can't comment. I don't keep an eye on the drama, I got people trying to start my own, sorry.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 02:05 PM
its fine
maybe touge can talk some sense into steph and make her realise the game of telephone she used to get all her info on me is fucking wrong
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 02:15 PM
pensive_cowboy
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 02:24 PM
WeirdChamp
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 02:28 PM
i should point out a few months ago steph DM'd me a fuck ton of insults and just general harassment because of an event that happened in creators, while i was banned and not a part of the community...... so its kinda ironic thaat she said i was harassing people (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:30 PM
IDK if she'll come around, I talked to her and I guess I'll wait for a response
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 02:31 PM
i mean if anything she should be giving me a fucking apology, not only for this but for the MONTHS of harassment and bullying she put me through
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:31 PM
either way I don't care, the community is part of the project and acting like their input is worthless is why we're all here in the first place
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 02:32 PM
theyreright
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 02:44 PM
I hope we can keep things civil
MegabastardHeart
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:47 PM
hey dickhead
Im a dickhead.
@Moth🦀 I need you to understand that I assumed that you were still a jackass
I am sorry for actin'
as my mom says
"a fool"
It's not ok and I'll take responsibility for being a jackass
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 02:47 PM
Thank you @sappho
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:48 PM
whats your pronouns btw moth i dont know because peopel use diferent ones
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 02:48 PM
she/her
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:49 PM
K thank u
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:49 PM
we're still waiting on rob
he and leia spoke earlier
he feels the same way we do, he's just asleep rn
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:49 PM
i'm aiming to become project lead
moonly is founder but he is not lead
and it's frustrating
moonlys a good boy
but i wish we could clone him like 5 times
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:51 PM
Moonly is incredibly talented but he doesn't need to be in a leadership position
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:52 PM
I also want to see recepits on patreon money
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:52 PM
I don't care what happens. Ultimately I'd like my position back and would want to be the creative/content director
But as long as the two people who are fucking the project up right now get moved from staff to purely PR
i don't care
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:52 PM
I don’t think Moonly can take the leadership. Yeah he’s the founder but he seems better working than leading
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:52 PM
vnn doesn't even do pr
his video was dogshit
and i knew that before you sent me it
and his comments on mannpower are just fucking stupid
garbage gamemode
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:53 PM
None of this would be possible without Moonly but.. man was born to code. Not a figurehead
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:53 PM
that's what ticked this all off
if tf2 gets a fucking
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 02:53 PM
From what I heard he didn't even want the role anyway
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:53 PM
mannpower update
i'm going to blow my brains out
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 02:53 PM
Which is why GPS stepped in, then silently stepped out just as fast
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:54 PM
wait wrong chat
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:54 PM
If we waste our possible official update on mannpower I’m quitting. That’s it. I want to work on medieval or pass time. The game modes that actually have potential
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:54 PM
ok both of those gamemodes are also poopoo
but less so
ideally valve will port tc2 upstream
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:54 PM
Well they have potential. I already have ideas for medieval
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:54 PM
but i doubt it
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 02:55 PM
If we waste our possible official update on mannpower I’m quitting. That’s it. I want to work on medieval or pass time. The game modes that actually have potential
@Vipes Well.. there's always TeamComtress.
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:55 PM
that is what tc2
is
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:55 PM
Mannpower has no potential. It’s a mutator hacked from an arena shooter. It not fit for a team based game
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM
Demoknight with the knockout perk is disgusting.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM
TF2 needs optimization, anticheat/bot fixes, unlock and class balance and some work done to the comp mode
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM
demoknight is digusting
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM
before anything else
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM
if u play demo knight ur gay and i hate u (edited)
and also die
: )
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM
TF2 needs TLC
more content is the last fucking thing it needs rn
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM
did someone say anticheat
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM
Passtime could use some polish and more maps. The medieval issue is that like 80% of the classes are just useless.
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 02:56 PM
But... Dota, Dota, CounterStrike
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 02:57 PM
bots aren't even the biggest issue in casual lol
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:57 PM
Medieval could be fixed with weapons for it
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:57 PM
The fact that it runs at sub 60 on my rig, the vaccinator and wrangler exist, the in-game comp mode is a fucking mess
and the objectively better pro versions of the maps aren't in the game
theyreright 1
is beyond stupid
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:57 PM
Touge. Don’t forget multi core rendering still being broke
theyreright 1
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:57 PM
its also broken on linux
btw
for srcds (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:58 PM
pepehands 1
It's not a coincidence that CS and Dota are topping the charts
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:58 PM
amongus
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:58 PM
and if it didn't have meme game popularity PUBG would overtake among us
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:58 PM
speaking of which i have a game sesh with friends of amongus
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 02:59 PM
Hey. Among Us is actually decent. I’m glad it’s finally getting the love it deserves
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sappho 25-Oct-20 02:59 PM
its a great game
love it
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 02:59 PM
this isn't an among us fan-cord
thx
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 02:59 PM
it's fine but it won't be around in any serious capacity a year from now
theyreright 1
When we get word from Rob we'll work on a doc
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sappho 25-Oct-20 03:00 PM
Why
Where are u going
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:00 PM
?
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:00 PM
That reminds me. Anyone ever find out what VNN was talking about when he said new promotional items were coming?
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sappho 25-Oct-20 03:00 PM
oh
"it"
not "i"
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:01 PM
yeah a year from now i'm going to mars
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:01 PM
Or was he making shit up again
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:01 PM
Not going to lie I misread that too
That reminds me. Anyone ever find out what VNN was talking about when he said new promotional items were coming?
@Vipes If I vaguely remember, it turned out to be nothing. Though that was ages ago.
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:01 PM
It was this year he mentioned it though
Unless he somehow got word of the canceled halo promo items
And didn’t pay attention to the word “canceled”
tl;dr me and my team were working on promo items. 343/Microsoft said yes. Valve said no (edited)
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:04 PM
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:04 PM
And that how come cs:go has halo stickers
Yeah. Have a feeling he’s talking about what I was working on
The time adds up
How he of all people found out I don’t know
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:05 PM
Not finding any other references to it
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:05 PM
Sup gamers
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:05 PM
does anyone know what timezone rob is?
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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:06 PM
GMT
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:06 PM
Same as mine
It's currently 4:06am
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:06 PM
But yeah. Halo promos were in the works
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:06 PM
Ok no point in staying up for him
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:06 PM
Shame valve took it away from TF2 to shove into cs;go
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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:07 PM
Yeah just sleep on it
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:07 PM
I cannot sleep, for there is much work to be done.
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:07 PM
Halo promos 🤔
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:07 PM
Yeah. I was in talks for months with the guys at 343
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What sucks is that they were very eager and excited. Apparently a lot of them are TF2 fans
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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:08 PM
men and women of culture i see
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:09 PM
But nope. Valve said CS:GO
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:09 PM
Tbh would halo stuff fit into tf2 soldiersweat
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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:09 PM
Just like hats and such
I imagine
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:09 PM
Deus Ex promos
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:10 PM
Of course @DeLichte
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:10 PM
I always asked for this.
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:10 PM
But how would it fit in
Hmm
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:10 PM
The same way the deus ex ones did
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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:10 PM
Im sure they'll just throw more spaghetti on the wall and hope it sticks
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:10 PM
There was a deus ex promo?
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:10 PM
death of an artstyle really hitting hard rn ngl
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:11 PM
Did you forget or are you memeing
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:11 PM
a little energy sword bat could have been neat
theyreright 1
could do a TF2 version of the sniper too
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:11 PM
There was a deus ex promo?
@Flourbo
p sure this was one of them right
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:11 PM
The sniper, magnum, flamethrower, and sword were planned
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:11 PM
Ooooo
That looks nice
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM
magnum
dear god yes hyperpog
@fish hello!
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fish 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM
game.
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM
ODST helmet allclass. Grunt plushie pal and lastly that one guy’s helmet from Reach for Pyro
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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM
emiles
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM
Yeah
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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM
that would be... sick
woah
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM
But how would it fit in
@Flourbo https://puu.sh/GGvAF/ff44602d87.png
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM
Skull dude
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM
Grunt plushie
WHORBY
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:12 PM
Maybe a guilty spark sapper kinda like Wheatley sapper (edited)
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:13 PM
Or guilty spark like a balloonicorn
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:13 PM
ultimatepog
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:13 PM
The idea was each game got its own promo. Emile’s helmet was obviously for reach
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:13 PM
ODST helmet allclass
sniper mains when another full-head cosmetic gets added yesdear
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:13 PM
ODST! (edited)
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:13 PM
How about Terrence hoods hat
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DeLichte 25-Oct-20 03:13 PM
every noble team character has a tf2 class that correlates
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM
I want hat
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM
CAPPER but like a plasma pistol
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM
Anyway it’s a scrapped pipe dream now
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM
pog
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM
Oh, speaking of ODST, to those who didn't know this was a thing. The full audio for the live action "We are ODST" trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56cnOkQFRwo&ab_channel=WaterTowerMusic (edited)
Official Version: The Politics & The Life By: Daniel Pemberton & Gareth Williams Available NOW: https://lnk.to/kingarthurID Subscribe to WaterTower Music on YouTube: http://bit.ly/WaterTowerSub Listen to more from King Arthur: Legend of the Sword: https://www.youtube.com/pla...
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM
Thanks to valve
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM
ok the all class helmet would be awful
theyreright 1
but everything else sounds ok
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM
cringe
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:14 PM
stop making all-class cosmetics ffs
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:15 PM
like an all class elite plush could be cute
but that's it
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:15 PM
aren't the mercs supposed to have "identity"
WeirdChamp
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:15 PM
or a little pocket grunt
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:15 PM
The grunt plushie was gonna be based on the classic cute looking ones
Anyway I derailed chat enough
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sappho 25-Oct-20 03:17 PM
i want a plushie
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:17 PM
MegabastardHeart
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sappho 25-Oct-20 03:18 PM
HatWink
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:20 PM
Medic, don't turn heavy into marketable vinyl figure!
[muffled screaming]
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:36 PM
see technically speaking
we have no evidence touge doesn't touch kids
so basically confirmed pedo
WeirdChamp
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fish 25-Oct-20 03:36 PM
HesRight
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:36 PM
Technically that makes me a pedo
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fish 25-Oct-20 03:37 PM
yes
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:37 PM
Since there’s no evidence
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fish 25-Oct-20 03:37 PM
we are all pedos
guilty until proven innocent is truly the greatest philosophy
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:37 PM
Actually no wait
I’m a virgin, proof found
cringe
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:38 PM
Can you prove you’re a virgin?
checkmate
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:38 PM
I go on reddit
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:38 PM
Damn. You got me
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:38 PM
Only proof
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:38 PM
Can you prove you’re a virgin?
No.
SoldierChad
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:38 PM
Suilla is too chad
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 03:38 PM
time for suilla to bring up his sub ex
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:39 PM
ok that's for mb.tf not here cringe
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:39 PM
cringe
I’m starting to think c.tf is a drama 🎭 you’d watch at the theatre
It actually could be now that I think about it
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 03:41 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:41 PM
That's basically what I've been doing tbh
I have not been involved with anything for the most part
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:41 PM
hesright
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 03:41 PM
please don't shit post here though
try to keep it semi serious
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:41 PM
I don’t play tf2 so I don’t care about tf2 drama
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:41 PM
except for being a little edgy very early on and getting the bad-boy paddle from mods 2-3 times
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:41 PM
Nahhhh
Your fine
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:42 PM
then I just left cause I knew i'd only keep pushing the envelope
OkayChamp
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:42 PM
cringe
Bruh I just stepped outside and there’s a hurricane
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:42 PM
be safe!
Your fine
WeirdChamp
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 03:43 PM
roy moment tbh
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:43 PM
Well are you no longer like that Retr0
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:43 PM
thank god
yes
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 03:43 PM
Then I see no problem
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 03:44 PM
instead ive fempilled him into being a wittol femboye
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fish 25-Oct-20 03:44 PM
perish.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 03:44 PM
fish has seen the pics
you know its true
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:46 PM
sex
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 03:47 PM
do I want to know?
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 03:47 PM
maybe 😳
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fish 25-Oct-20 03:49 PM
no.
unless...
😳
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:21 PM
it feels so peaceful here
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:22 PM
i hope yall will support me in trying to become proj lead (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:23 PM
i will all the way steph
❤️
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:34 PM
what's your ideas for proj lead? @sappho
like responsibilities and direction you want to take stuff in
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:35 PM
wouldnt you like to know
megabastard
i'm gonna add new staff members
and take stock of the current ones and see if anyone doesnt need to be there
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:36 PM
Sound reasonable
I want a design director role ultimately.
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:38 PM
design ur mom lol
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:39 PM
I've basically already become the design director considering I picked the Halloween maps and I'm not even on the project
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:39 PM
we'll see
Chill
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:39 PM
redsKek
How did Leia end up in charge of maps anyways?
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:39 PM
they should not have
i do not know
this update was a cluster
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:41 PM
is the workflow still unorganized
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:41 PM
of course
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:42 PM
we could have had a simple soldier update instead of 2 mediocre ones
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:42 PM
i mostly just jerk off in the corner testing anticheat on random servers
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:42 PM
but nope
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:42 PM
and also making sure the website and servers doesnt explode (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:43 PM
have there been any talks of retiring some content?
the map pool seems obscenely bloated
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM
moonly doesnt want to remove certain maps
i wanted to delete synthetic like
aPES_ReeTriggered 1
months ago
but he was like
No We Have Contracts (edited)
for synthetic
so
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM
WeirdChamp
no
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM
hypothetically
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM
that map sucks dick
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM
if balance mod servers were to get the can
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM
lots of maps in the rotation are just awful (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM
could those not just become legacy servers?
with the content from previous updates
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM
they're not ours
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM
ah
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM
can i say something
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:44 PM
go for it
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM
im thinking about resigning from the mod team
wut 1
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM
is there room within the budget for legacy servers?
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM
why zon
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM
well
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM
you should do what you feel is right, although with your contributions you should be a staff member realistically
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM
i just dont feel like i belong anymore and i feel everyone hates me
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM
that's not true
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM
i like you
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM
wait what
What gives you that idea
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM
just talking with people
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM
i just dont feel like i belong anymore and i feel everyone hates me
@ZoNiCaL Yeah, what gives you that idea?
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:45 PM
and my crushed dreams obviously (edited)
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM
lol wtf in my opinion you're one of the best mods
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM
moonly awake
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM
You mean like community members not liking you? or other staff members/mods
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM
like i seem so desperate to join the team and it just annoys people
staff
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM
I don't think anyone on staff dislikes you?
Never really seemed like it, at least
You do a fine job
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM
i HATe you zon
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM
steph
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM
you are small and australian
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM
honestly
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM
I was just confused as to why you weren't staff
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM
it doesnt help
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM
a
well im obviously joshin ya
youre cool
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:46 PM
like really right now im having a panic attack and im on the verge of tears
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:47 PM
ok well
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:47 PM
like i seem so desperate to join the team and it just annoys people
@ZoNiCaL This is not an issue with you, this is an issue with the current team, which will hopefully be resolved sooner rather than later.
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:47 PM
don't do that
zon try square breathing
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:47 PM
once again steph displaying impeccable professionalism like a prospective project lead should WeirdChamp
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:47 PM
i am allowed to have fun
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:47 PM
@ZoNiCaL Everyone here likes you, I've always respected you
theyreright 1
even if we don't see eye to eye on a lot of things you do a lot of good work
and you're always really respectful of others
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 04:48 PM
^
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:48 PM
i understand you not wanting to moderate
realistically no one wants to do that
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:48 PM
i want to but my mind is just shit
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:48 PM
but i definitely think you contribute a lot
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:48 PM
well whatever i contribute hasnt gone anywhere
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:48 PM
Yeah I think you're pleasant and I think it's cool how much you've brought to c.tf tbh
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:49 PM
Because for some inexplicable reason you're not on staff
even though you should be
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 04:49 PM
Honestly I'd kinda like to see you and Kaya be like, official event organizers or smthn
Y'all do a lot with the events server already
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:49 PM
well whatever i contribute hasnt gone anywhere
@ZoNiCaL Do I need to remind you of why you are mod in the first place? The Discord would have gone to hell long ago if you hadn't held the line.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:49 PM
i mean the silly servers have barely gone anywhere
like we literally just got our first pr mention
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:49 PM
i mean the silly servers have barely gone anywhere
@ZoNiCaL Once again, not your fault.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:50 PM
and moonly promised to put them on the server list and hasnt
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 04:50 PM
Things take time
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:50 PM
yes but this was promised ages ago
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:50 PM
Once again.. not your fault.
The very reason we are all here.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:50 PM
and im never going to be suited really for anything else
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:51 PM
Server management is incredibly valuable
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:51 PM
and im never going to be suited really for anything else
Says who? (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:51 PM
says me trying to join the team
'now here we go again with zon'
but i was never given any form of response back
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:51 PM
Which mutiple people, even outside of this discord, have agreed should have happened.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:51 PM
and i told moonly how i really felt about it and it essentially went to "tough shit im busy"
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:52 PM
that's why we're all here
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:52 PM
moonly is uh WeirdChamp
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:52 PM
Which.. isn't your fault.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:52 PM
we're trying to rectify these issues (edited)
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:52 PM
Your contributions leading to nothing is not down to you doing anything wrong, it's down to the way the current system is handled, which is why this discord exists in the first place.
If change happens, you'll see your contributions take on a lot more meaning, I can promise you that. (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM
well now i better hope it does
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM
Cause in point, the Wiki is STILL down
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM
honestly
fuck the wiki
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM
Why?
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM
i dont really see any point in it anymore
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marty 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM
as someone who worked on the wiki, yes
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM
hallo marty
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marty 25-Oct-20 04:54 PM
hoy
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 04:55 PM
matin is in
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:55 PM
i am having a delicate conversation with master moonly rn
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marty 25-Oct-20 04:55 PM
swag
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:55 PM
The wiki just needs to be set so that trusted members can edit it. It's still a great place to understand and learn from.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:55 PM
anyways
i've been talking to retr0
im not gonna actually resign
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:55 PM
MegabastardHeart
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:55 PM
And to document the launcher, and it's instructions (That I wrote up)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:56 PM
but right now i've temporarily left the main server
because i cant focus on my break
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:56 PM
that's understandable tbh
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:56 PM
im still gonna be around here because im campaigning for change
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:56 PM
Take all the time you need. I know you said you were doing other stuff too
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:56 PM
ive also left the dev server as there's no point of me being there anymore
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:57 PM
Also, question for those in the dev server. Why is it so disorganised?
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:57 PM
idk
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:57 PM
Or is that just because I have no roles
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:57 PM
it just seems like a clusterfuck to me (edited)
there's members from like 20 different communities
i thought it was a creators.tf dev server
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 04:58 PM
i mean having people from projects like potato makes sense
considering the collab thats aparently still happing
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:58 PM
there's people from like tfconnect there
and like other places
like idk wtf they're doing there
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sappho 25-Oct-20 04:58 PM
hey why do u guys hate higps again
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:58 PM
if moonly wants to join and talk he's more than welcome
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:58 PM
i hate him because he completely fucking blew off the discord with that @here riot
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 04:58 PM
Hate is a strong word (For me), but there's various reasons. (edited)
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 04:59 PM
I just don't know what his significance is other than balance mod
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:59 PM
he hasn't done anything significant, his weapon designs are stat swaps, he's been incredibly rude towards the community
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 04:59 PM
hey why do u guys hate higps again
@sappho #gps-discussion
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:59 PM
one of these was me
and i chewed him out
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 04:59 PM
he seems to not have any interest in the project other than pushing balance mod
theyreright 2
thistbh 2
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 04:59 PM
and he didnt care
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:00 PM
he seems to not have any interest in the project other than pushing balance mod
@tougeFSpov: you pretend to care for the project then ghost the entire thing right after sending this message
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:00 PM
Also, GPS is not well liked in the server in general due to his abrupt rein as community manager, then silence, then stepping down without notice.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:00 PM
when someone thinks that generalists and specialists only applies to comp
when the dev commentary literally talks about it
that's not someone who needs to be in charge of balance
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:01 PM
yea the fact that he was used as a scape goat for the touge incident, then there was never an official statement of that, ruined his rep (edited)
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:01 PM
This decision was never popular, and never resolved.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:01 PM
and then apparently this organisation never went anywhere
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:02 PM
like the closest to an official statement was zon saying stuff that might be true because he was digging
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:02 PM
on top of that
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:02 PM
but even then its not much
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:02 PM
when i went to just discuss balance
and philosophy on the game
he just didn't really care
at all
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:02 PM
He wants nothing to do with the community, and he's not spoken for months in chat.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:02 PM
@sappho did you guys actually have any weapon ideas for this update?
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:02 PM
several
all suggested by me
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:03 PM
I think the current weapons need looking at again.
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:03 PM
not for this update specifically
just in general
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:03 PM
and where did they go
and did higps cancel any of them
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:03 PM
they never materialized and no
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:03 PM
ah
mk nvm then
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:03 PM
actually ivory made the lg
but its buggy
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:03 PM
I was kinda hoping to actually help with weapon attributes and whatnot
Kinda what Moonly originally brought me on for
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:04 PM
not her fault ftr
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:04 PM
i honestly feel like
LG should come
at a point when the project has community faith
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:04 PM
LG isn't really possible unless there's a way to hide tracers
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:04 PM
if it got added before then i honestly think something that radical would kill it
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:04 PM
Ray traces in sourcemod aren't lag compensated so it's buggy as shit
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:04 PM
even if it's a good addition
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
mfw someone complains about us not making weapons in sourcepawn, the worst language ever created:
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
i wish we had a lot more weapons but fair nuff
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
I love making weapons in sourcepawn
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
add a demo market gardener
and we'll talk
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
But all my weapons are balanced around FF2 cringe
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
fucking do it
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
Anyways, if moonly wants to talk he's free to join
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
i want more weapons
lmao
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
I want to add one so badly
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
>demo market gardener
no thank you
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
lol
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
can we just have an "Arms Race" update where we add like 10 new weapons
and zero cosmetics
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
nope
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
yeah that's a no from me chief
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
mfw someone complains about us not making weapons in sourcepawn, the worst language ever created:
eh, it was more of a "we had the last good weapons in april, just pleeees" thingy
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:05 PM
we're adding the demo market gardener
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
lol
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
i don't want the class that can fly at fucking mach 10000000000000000000000000000000
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
its too late
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
to have that
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
ive already added it
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
new weapons dont mean good content @ZoNiCaL
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
Demo market gardener would be fun as shit
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
As a spymain, I declare that demoman should have a version of the manntreds
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
hahaha true
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
:)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
but it would be nice to have some new ones
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
for the demo
everyone else would just be annoyed
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
just adding new weapons to tf2 doesn't fix literally anything and just perpetuates the same issues
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
give demo a glock
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
game bloat (edited)
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
i think it would be better to rework the current ones than to add more bloat
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
PogU
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
imagine being a med and trying to not die to that bullshit
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
like reworked to the point where theyre basically new weapons
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
double sticky jumper garden
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
give demo a glock
OMEGALULzmisc_hand_gun
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:06 PM
give demo a glock
I did this
It's dumb
lmao
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM
also demo market gardener caber go brrr
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM
OMEGALUL zmisc_hand_gun
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM
Still, active discussion around the weapons from staff, and dedicated staff members who can actually do their job to research into this... would be a step up
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM
any form of transparency regarding weapon development is a must (edited)
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM
I'd also like to add min viewmodel support for custom weapons but for some reason we don't want to?
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM
yeah like
wtf
and thats a requested feature
i thought you just "couldn't" do it
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM
It's very easy
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM
add min viewmodel support for custom weapons
dear god please yes
🥺
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:07 PM
Who's decision was it not to?
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM
All my custom weapons on my server have min viewmodel support
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All it requires is preserving attributes on the base weapon (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM
i just want a soldier melee that compliments banners
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM
rat
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM
just let me beat people to death with a giant American flag
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM
glad to see moonly taking this seriously
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM
go play fallout new vegas
he just woke up[
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM
rat
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM
implying i haven't played it a million times already
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM
post this rat
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:08 PM
rat
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:09 PM
I don't think he understands the implication, though you didn't really say it clearly Steph
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:09 PM
ok well
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:09 PM
the IQ bellcurve
is determined
by your thoughts on Ulysses
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:09 PM
sex
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:09 PM
@Alibi then give me a better explanation
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:09 PM
Also, do y'all think the lighting bugs on custom weapons is worse than having no muzzle flash on them? (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM
i dont even notice muzzle flash
but lighting bugs are going to be horrid
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM
Because I have a fix for the lighting bugs
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM
then fix it
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM
But it breaks all particle attachments
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM
L
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM
I gave it to moonly
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM
i think custom weapons should be at the bottom of the list of priorities tbh WeirdChamp
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM
@sappho I don't know if I should be writing such a thing, but it will need a bit of seriousness behind it.
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM
He implemented it, and higps said to revert it
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM
something something bloat
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:10 PM
@sappho Could you show moonly who all is in this server
i really don't think he'll take it seriously unless he sees who is in it
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:11 PM
after that i will deal with tf2 stuff again
do not read the previous 2 messages if under 18. thank you
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:12 PM
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:12 PM
I swear to god if that is the first thing Moonly sees if he joined this server
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:12 PM
post this rat
@「Suilla」 transrat
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:12 PM
this message is rated 18+
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:13 PM
transrat
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:13 PM
do we even have 17- ppl here?
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:13 PM
I don't think he'll join, realistically
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:13 PM
trans rat
pog
yeah tbh idk if moonly wants to have that confrontation
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:14 PM
do we even have 17- ppl here?
@marty i mean potentially fish because we dont know his age
no matter how much ive asked him
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:14 PM
oh, and dan's 17
iirc
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:15 PM
im 17
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:15 PM
im stuff
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:15 PM
rip
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:15 PM
I'm 24.. God I feel so old..
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:15 PM
mfw i'm now in 5 servers that originated in c.tf yesdear
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:15 PM
im 17
@ZoNiCaL ngl I would NOT have guessed that
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:15 PM
same
i'd have guessed a solid 22
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:16 PM
lolno
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:16 PM
mfw i'm now in 5 servers that originated in c.tf yesdear
@marty a chad mb.tf revolutionist tho SoldierChad
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:16 PM
have you heard my voice
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i still sound like a squeaker
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:16 PM
not really (edited)
i work quite a bit with teenagers, i know what sqeakers sound like
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:17 PM
monkaS?
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:17 PM
and what it feels like to know that a 13 year old will be taller than you in like 3 months
yesdear
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:17 PM
@marty a chad mb.tf revolutionist tho :SoldierChad:
@「Suilla」 When Moth was asking about how MB could be improved through DM, one of the questions was, "Why did you join" "My main original purpose of joining was in the event the Creators Discord went to shit with drama. This isn't my first rodeo so I knew it would hit the fan eventually, and low and behold it did." (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:18 PM
the c.tf discord has been very calm recently
like barely anything has happened
and any "drama" that can start is shut down very quickly
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:18 PM
a nice change of pace
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:18 PM
I know, this was months ago
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:18 PM
yea and thats why ive spent the past 4 months begging people to just stop associating my server with c.tf (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:18 PM
the last significant thing that happened was @marty 's complaint about #announcements which is fair nuff
and i talked about this in the feedback channel
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:18 PM
little better than the constant shitfuck of may-july
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM
Oh no, I give gold stars to how well the Discord has evolved and improved. Just saying that when I joined, I joined MB for a specific reason.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM
ye
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM
is natalie in the mb.tf discord?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM
i just wanted to vent for a second
lolno
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM
no god no
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM
is natalie in the mb.tf discord?
OMEGALUL
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM
mbtf is a community and if the people in the community dont like you, then you dont get to join
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:19 PM
we may be a harbor for banned members at this point, but we wouldn’t stoop that low
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:20 PM
its why i had to ban parasite
wiithin the span of a few hours he pissed off every major member and they wanted him gone
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:20 PM
mbtf is a community and if the people in the community dont like you, then you dont get to join
@Moth🦀 ok why is biker still here then OkayChamp
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:20 PM
allthough ironically the only interraction i had with nat was actually really good
so i only have other peoples opinions to go off
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:20 PM
he definitely improved at the end of his stay in c.tf
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:20 PM
but nah
anyways
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:20 PM
I never had any bad interactions with natalie
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:20 PM
we shouldnt delve too deep into drama
this is a drama free server after all
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:21 PM
he had like half of the active members of chat blocked @Ivory
although he mostly unblocked them toward the end
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:21 PM
they read homestuck tho so they get +1 point in that regard
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:21 PM
like i said, general positive shift towards the end of his tenure
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:21 PM
I wouldn't say drama free. By very definition this server needs to handle past drama and injustices. There are a few things that need to be put to bed that should have been dealt with long ago.
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM
well nats ship sailed a while ago
so i think it’s fair to stop this drama
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM
you know what i'd want to do if i was on the dev team
make devblogs
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM
yes!
i’ve been asking for dev blogs for ages
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please i beg of you
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM
dev blogs would be interesting
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM
i'd be tyler mcvicker but minus all the bullshit and actually caring about promoting the project
like an ACTUAL journalist
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM
Man, I would love that, and would tie directly into bridging this gorge between the community and the staff
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM
a crazy thought
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:22 PM
leia tried to do dev blogs a while ago right?
iirc they were denied because people were lazy or something
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:23 PM
dont know
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:23 PM
In fact, I'm adding that to my doc (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:23 PM
i have an idea to do on on the silly servers
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:23 PM
i allready have dev blogs and stuff on my transparency report (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:23 PM
because it's actually neat how much work we've put into setting it up
with all of the gamemodes, plugins, configs and stuff
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:24 PM
i can't post this image enough with the title "this is what tf2 players want"
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:24 PM
last time i spoke with moonly about the dev blog he was opposed as he believed people would see it and believe anything there was guaranteed to be added
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:24 PM
because we have stuff like this
and this
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:24 PM
i can't post this image enough with the title "this is what tf2 players want"
@marty this too
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:24 PM
ye
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM
and we have lots of plugins which are organised into their gamemodes
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM
https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=18409 weekly, or bi-weekly blog posts that follow this same format
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM
and they're loaded in on the fly depending on what gamemode we want to play
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM
just telling people whats being worked on
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM
twilight.sex
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM
and general developments in the community
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM
i'd love to write a devblog on how it works
its pretty cool
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:25 PM
tbf may be outdated to his current views
but this was him speaking in the possibility of a dev blog
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
Well.. why can't the blog posts be "Official"? (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
yeah
i dont see why not
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
because that makes them guaranteed to be added
in his view
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
I can sort of understand where he's coming from
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
but like
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
People will see some things and get overly excited
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
we dont have to do anything about "whats in dev"
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
because that makes them guaranteed to be added
@fish That's an assumption and also Valve Logic.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
we could talk about how the economy works
how the api works
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
as in, things in development showcased there may lead people to believe it will 100% be added
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
and if it ends up getting scrapped they'll be left disappointed
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
a good example is the hypixel network
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
i’m not saying it’s what I believe
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
you know the mc server
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
it’s what he told me
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:26 PM
they do devblogs on the cool coding shit
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
It's the same reason Valve isn't very vocal about those things
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
like how they manage their skyblock worlds
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
hypixel when they ruin skyblock Sorry
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
and databases
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
and if it ends up getting scrapped they'll be left disappointed
@Ivory This is Valve logic and a slippery slope that has led them to the point they are now.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
i want shit like that
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
like what i do in server-status?
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
exactly
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
yes
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
I mean Valve isn't wrong for it
It makes sense
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
more transparency on what certain members do and the content theyre planning to test or push would be amazing
give people an idea of what people do
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
on the possibility of the dev blog being a channel
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
There's such thing as too much transparency
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
Valve have become so paranoid of saying something then "Dissapointing" people that they've stopped talking completely. This isn't healthy and a serious issue.
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
i've been using ur postings in serverstatus as the example for how staff to community communication should work for basiclaly months
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
i'd love to have @sappho write something about the work they do behind the scenes
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
once again, outdated by 3 months
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
because it's really interesting
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:27 PM
i dont wanna be rude, but like, most people only know whaat a few staff members do
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM
yeah i barely know sometimes either
like there's a fuckton of artists now
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM
like ivory, im sure your cool and all, but i have no clue what youve pushed to the project
because theres no transparency
and people like tyler and moonly want to keep this stuff hidden
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM
also
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM
Yeah I feel roles could be made more clear
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM
not just roles
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM
i see on @Alibi 's doc a thing for a c.tf youtube channel
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM
actual content pushings
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:28 PM
i would fucking LOVE to do that
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
like lets say you push some content to test, people should know thata this content is being tested
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
would be a great replacement for VNN
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
rather than it being kept secret till the update drops
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
uhh idk about that
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marty 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
only thing i know of ivory is they were surprised strange c.tf weapons weren't actually strange, and bcs i know that ivory knows a lot of custom weapons, that kinda worries me, that guy with lot of custom weapon experience, doesn't have the insight or info to the custom weapons of c.tf
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
If I may drop this in from my doc. Why is this Important? What needs to be understood is that at the root of almost all of TF2 problems is a sheer lack of communication, on both the large and small scale. Valves biggest failure is their lack of communication. While it has given them an immunity of sorts, being petrified of communicating in the event you cannot deliver on your words is NOT healthy. Creators cannot become Valve 2.0. By which I mean, little to no communication of what is planned and no interaction with the community outside big announcements. Creators is in the amazing position to not only fill the silence Valve has given us for years, but also to embrace the opposite philosophy. The Discord is proof of this in action. Through listening to feedback, it has changed and evolved into the place it is today. This philosophy of embracing feedback and implementing changes through interaction with the community is what will lead to the success of Creators as a whole.
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
pushing your own update videos instead of having to rely on him for your exposure
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
People don't need to see everything we're testing
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
you know
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
not everything
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
maybe not everything, but most things
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
but interesting things
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
we don't have to say "oh we're doing this this and this"
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
like not allowing people transparency with dev is what caused c.tf SF
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:29 PM
but you know small updates on progress of things
like just progress on the major updates
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
stuff that builds some hype while reassuring the community that yes, you are working on something worthwhile
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
we dont need stuff on what new features or content there are
just whats happening
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
let people know how far along development on an update is, and whose pushing updates
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
I think it'd be best to include that stuff in dev blogs
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
yes!
that’s the idea!
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
thats the idea
also trello would be cool (edited)
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
I just thought you meant like getting notifications when anything is pushed to the servers
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
like i know a few in development features that havent been released on C.TF yet
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
oh no not that
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
no no not at all
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
Also, we cannot be afraid to disappoint people, or say if something didn't work out.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
you know
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
yeah
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
dev blog is what i’ve been asking for for months man
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
ya that makes a lot more sense then
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
m
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
like it'd be cool if you guys said something on the update
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
nevermind
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
because ngl it was a flop
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
h
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:30 PM
and steph has also said this
like you weren't prepared at all for it
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM
moonly appears to be deathly afraid of people thinking dev blog = guarantee of in dev content
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM
>We proposed this idea, but during testing found it isn't possible. We're sorry, but the reason is because X.
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM
^
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM
the trello was a tiny step in the right direction to being more transparent but it was kinda bad in its implementation
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM
Dev blogs can be good if managed correctly
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM
and you know if you said publicly "you know, we weren't ready for the update and the massive of influx of players, we're sorry"
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM
i really don’t think it’s as big of an issue as he makes it out to be
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM
i have a few ideas for dev blgos
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM
I'd be fully supportive of them
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM
he also appears to be deathly afraid of joining and discussing things like this
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:31 PM
like only 4 staff members have access to it, its rarely updated , and it mainly only focuses on side projects
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM
you just need to clarify that no, nothing here is official nor guaranteed
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM
i have access to it now
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM
The community is dying for any form of decent communication.
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM
and if people think it is, too bad!
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM
i can post stuff on the trello
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM
they’re stupid!
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you don’t need to cater to stupid people!
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM
also why was the trello removed from the discord?
that seems like an odd decision (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM
devblog ideas - silly servers and how they're run - how steph and the server managers do their job - how the servers function and work (might be tied into stephs one but it could be more in depth) - how the creators.tf api/backend works (edited)
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM
you don’t need to cater to stupid people casual players!
mega_bastard
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM
@Moth🦀 it wasnt being used
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM
Also, as part of my google doc, one of my key point is that we need to decentralise from Discord.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:32 PM
well thats more or less staff's fault for not using it properly
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:33 PM
you see how i'm not having anything directly related to new content in my devblogs
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:33 PM
There are MANY people that don't use discord, and many of the amazing bits of work @sappho does isn't seen by people because it's hidden in the Discord.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:33 PM
dev blogs should have info regarding the current state of the next update though
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:33 PM
HesRight
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:33 PM
like
"were planning on testing X maps in the future"
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:33 PM
discord shouldn’t be the only option for getting updates on the project
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:33 PM
or a devblog on how they implemented new features
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM
and then you host tests for those mps
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM
like there's a really cool feature that i cant share that's on the staging branch for c.tf
and it'd be cool to have a devblog on how it was made
from both sides because it wasnt just coding
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM
🥺
the dream
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM
@Ivory you might know what im talking about
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM
It's down to the role as community manager to not only gather this together, but make sure everything is posted and updated. Right now, the community manger is... VNN.
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM
unfortunately
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM
Is it what I'm working on or..?
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM
🎹
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:34 PM
OH
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM
you know
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM
yeah lol
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM
yeahhhhhh
👈 👈
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM
👀
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM
That was the first thing I was tasked with
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM
are you still doing that
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM
But I don't think any of my code was used :(
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM
🎹
what did he mean by this 👀
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM
No Moonly seems to have taken over with it
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM
cant sayy~
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM
fun fact i was asking about dev blogs back in april and noone cared 😎
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:35 PM
well
too bad because if i get on the team
thats the first thing im doing
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM
getting back to topic, i definitely think it’s in the best interest to take charge of your own exposure at this point
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM
fun fact i was asking about dev blogs back in april and noone cared 😎
@Moth🦀 that's what you get for being a ringleader of a radical splinter group smh
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM
aka drop vnn, update youtube channel
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM
and then im creating the c.tf youtube channel
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM
assuming you have a project head that isnt going to veto any transparency into the project (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM
steph wants to be lead
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM
or just remove you for making decisions like touge was the first time
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM
ehhhh
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM
wait what do i do
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM
you wanted to be lead
right
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM
i mean in the discord
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM
oh
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM
also yes
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:36 PM
server-status
that channel
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM
a
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM
it's good
👍
because transparency and communication
we just want that on a much larger scale
is there like a "system messages" thing on c.tf @Ivory @sappho ?
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM
no
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM
Honestly if moonly isn't interested in talking here when he knows there's staff and mods and community members
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM
you know how the tf team (whats left of it) sends out global messages
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM
I really don't see him caring about a doc
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM
that should be a thing
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:37 PM
isnt sm_say a thing
or csay
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM
csay (edited)
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM
ya that
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM
we don't have a multi rcon plugin yet
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM
Ah
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM
you can send a global message throughout the servers, twitter, blog, whatever
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM
I think one already exists, actually
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM
like if you wanted to easily say "global maintenance in 10 mins for all game servers"
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM
That lets you communicate with servers from Discord
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM
it can instantly goto the game servers, twitter, and discord
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM
it is a highly requested feature of mine
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM
do it
or well
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM
you do it
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM
do it eventually
lmao
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:38 PM
if youre so god damn smart .
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM
im not
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM
< mario image >
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM
Honestly if moonly isn't interested in talking here when he knows there's staff and mods and community members I really don't see him caring about a doc
> @tougeFS this is why i told leia to organise a walkout (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM
noooo
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM
A walkout?
uhh
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM
if you do a walkout it instantly kills the project
and i think we decided against that entirely
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM
walkout as in
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM
Moonly needs to be convinced.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:39 PM
"you have a deadline to fix things, if they arnt we walkout"
because lets be honest moonly has had MONTHS to do things at his leisure
he needs a hard deadline to get stuff done
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM
but he's been far too busy for himself
which is why he shouldn't be lead
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM
Thing is, it's less about fixing things and more about delegration.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM
because he's just too damn busy
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM
I mean he's also been really busy the past few months
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM
which is why someone new needs to be lead
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM
which is why part of getting things done include stepping down
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM
convince him to make me proj lead then
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM
glad we agreed on that point lol
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM
All about Delegation.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM
also i want another writer for leia
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM
the whole point of "getting things done" is allowing someone else to herald the project
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:40 PM
not me (insert megabastard) because im shit
but leia is just so burnt out writing
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:41 PM
dann tbh
HesRight 1
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:41 PM
they've said this to me several times
and they've got the robotic update to do next
by themselves essentially
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:41 PM
i mean right now no one is going to convince him of anything
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:41 PM
yea i feel really sorry for leia, theyve been under so much stress
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:41 PM
because he doesn't seem to be interested in talking
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:41 PM
hence the do or die deadline touge
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:41 PM
but that creates unwanted tension
and it feels like a coup
which is not what we want
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM
because he doesn't seem to be interested in talking
@tougeFS Well, his only formal request has been Steph
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM
I think a walkout is being overly dramatic
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM
He needs to be told directly
seriously
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM
ok
why dont we organise a meeting with him
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM
only staff have been in a good position for that
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM
if he refuses to listen to this next batch of mass feedback then what other option do you have (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM
we can all show up if possible and provide our main and key points
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM
and only now do we have a chance with a direct talk between staff
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM
he allready wanted to blow off the september feedback doc leia posted to january (their words)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:42 PM
leia said to me (and @sappho or @Ivory you'll need to confirm) that they're not really looking at any of that feedback until 2021 (edited)
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM
yep
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM
she told me that too
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM
which pissed me the fuck off
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM
also what they told us
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM
Zon and Ivory have spoke to him
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM
like that made me so furious
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM
agreed
pushing the feedback that far is such a slap in the face
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:43 PM
when you push the september feedback to fucking january because muh schedule
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:44 PM
honestly
i get scheduling is a good thing
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:44 PM
if moonly just blows off your mass feeedback again, dont really see any option other than giving him a deadline
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:44 PM
but it feels like the team is just going update, update, update, feedback, update, update, update
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:44 PM
I kind of agree with moth on that one
if he refuses to talk
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:44 PM
like hes had months to do stuff on his leisure
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:44 PM
or just pushes it back to fucking January
at that point it's give an ultimatum or the project continues to slowly die
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:45 PM
he wants to take it slow while the project is on fire and the playerbase is bleeding, you wont have time to try and wait for him to finish this years update plan (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:45 PM
W_OMEGALUL 1
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:45 PM
Someone with authority needs to tell him in a serious way that this is happening.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:45 PM
in new zealand our police board has an independent board of inquiry to determine whether our police did something wrong or illegal
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:45 PM
like it or not this isn't sustainable
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:45 PM
i feel like thats what we should be
an independent board of inquiry into C.TF and how it's run
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:46 PM
Someone with authority needs to tell him in a serious way that this is happening.
@Alibi the only one with authority over him is tyler, and he blows off all criticism as "concern trolling" according to leia (edited)
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:46 PM
i think it’d be a much better look to simply push back the upcoming update for december and replace it with a full internal and external overhaul based on feedback
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:46 PM
yeah
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:46 PM
unfortunately, moonly
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:46 PM
like you can still make smissmass
but like robotic cant come now
because there's a lot that needs to be done first
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:46 PM
Would rather this overhaul happens now so that the project can actually live
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:46 PM
agreed
might not be a chance for the robotic update if the project bleeds out before then
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM
moonly when he realises tyler isnt going to get him a job at valve
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM
How much time is too much?
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM
a month?
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM
The first time i got removed there was a riot
the second time was worse
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM
moonly when he realises tyler isnt going to get him a job at valve
@Moth🦀 Surely Moonly understands that getting away from VNN will increase his chances right?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM
hes 17 @Alibi
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM
how many months has it been since then?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM
he probably looks up to tyler as role model
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:47 PM
who pinged m
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM
How many feedback docs from well respected community members have been ignored?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM
too many
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM
far too many
ridiculous at this point
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM
too many
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM
but we’ve been over this
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM
@sappho dw about it
like i think all of it
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM
Perhaps Rob can break the ice.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM
i dont think a single piece of it has been seriously looked at
correct me if im wrong
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:48 PM
we all agree it’s shameful the level of ignorance to community feedback that has been displayed so far
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:49 PM
At that point a walkout makes sense I'm not going to lie
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:49 PM
from what ive been told by leia, almost all feedback docs get negative reception from staff members
like not just moonly but most of the admins of the project at times
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:49 PM
realistically we should be livid
we all ovbiously love TF2
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:49 PM
from what ive been told by leia, almost all feedback docs get negative reception from staff members
@Moth🦀 I highly doubt that, considering I've got many staff straight up agreeing with my doc
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:49 PM
even if you dont accept the feedback
just say you dont
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:49 PM
But I can't say the same about the directors of the biggest TF2 project
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:49 PM
like dont shove it away
not all feedback is obviously good
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:50 PM
It's hard to say someone loves something as community driven as TF2
when they refuse to interact with the community
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:50 PM
(and im not saying ours is bad, it's really good)
but if you dont want to change
just say so
it's more final then being left in the void
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:50 PM
once again, please stop following the poor example of valve
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:50 PM
The Discord has evolved and improved because it was allowed too.
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:51 PM
the irony of a community project based entirely around correcting valves mistakes before falling right into the same communication traps as them is a little much too handle when it could be so easily avoided (edited)
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:51 PM
once again, please stop following the poor example of valve
@fish ive been saying this since april and noone listened pensive_cowboy
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:51 PM
as has been said 10000 times, communication is KEY (edited)
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:51 PM
its do or die time for creators
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:51 PM
we all have
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:51 PM
either the change happens or the project is done for
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:51 PM
the irony of a community project based entirely around correcting valves mistakes before falling right into the same communication traps as them is a little much to handle when it could be so easily avoided
@fish I believe this is down to VNN's influence, as he agrees with Valve's philosophy of "Silence is golden"
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM
silence is only golden if you have really private stuff you dont want to share
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM
which is a shit philosophy
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM
Honestly
I think everyone needs to put pressure on him to talk
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM
thats the point of a deadline
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM
kind of what we’re trying to do right now
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM
Silence is golden only applies to specific cases. And not when interacting with your community.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM
If everyone is saying you need to talk to us we want to know what is going on
He can't ignore it
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM
that’s what i think our first step should be
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:52 PM
i think there should be a fine line between "being transparent" and "not leaking every single thing you're working on"
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM
we have a great opportunity to get the staff together here and have them talk with moonly about the grievances of the community
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM
when it becomes relevant it should be talked about openly
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM
blog posts and testing servers solve those issues @ZoNiCaL
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM
^
like if we have new weapons we want tested
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM
why not just replace the balmod section with testing servers
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM
they dont need to be known about until we need them tested
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM
do what overwatch does
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM
and you know actually test them
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM
have a separate group
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM
oh yeah
can we just remove balance mod
theyreright 1
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM
Well, all of this talking is moot if we don't get Moonly in here.. So.. who's going to get Moonly in here?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM
with an update a few days or weeks before its launched
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:53 PM
ive sent a message to him
no response
he's offline it looks like
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:54 PM
i cant message him since hed be like WHomegalul
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:54 PM
yes when we behead GPS we can drop balance mod too, grand idea (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:54 PM
steph zon and ivory have messaged him
0 response other than rat
transrat 2
AFAIK
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:54 PM
It is rather early
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:54 PM
it definitely needs to be a full staff meeting
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:54 PM
mhmm
like i want this discussion to happen first
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM
get everyone together and sit moonly down in a call (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM
then a snap meeting with all staff
including tyler and higps
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM
agreed
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM
and tyler should seriously prove why he should stay
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM
they need to be there as well
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM
because no matter how much we hate him
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM
^
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM
touge should be there too imo, since hes the one heading this entire stuff
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM
he still deserves a seat at the meeting
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM
Preferably recorded for the record.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:55 PM
and he should have his voice heard
like we cant just say "fuck you" and boot him
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
well...
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
Preferably recorded for the record.
@Alibi that should be a given, if they just act rude and blow this off then the project is done and it should be released to show the people that this is who runs it
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
it would be fitting to do that
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
but it's wrong
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
yes
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
We can't do shit given that moonly won't even talk to people here lmao
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
obv lol
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
i mean if you need be you can just do the "3 person vote" if he refuses to step down
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
yeah
we can just vote him out
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
We cannot, and should not, stoop to that level, or we might as well abandon this now.
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
yes
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
and if he doesnt listen to the vote
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
i was trying to be funny but i fail to remember time and time again i am not
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
we cant force him to leave unless he doesn't budge and if it's done in a fair way
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
I mean
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
😔
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
he did attempt to vote me out
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:56 PM
then it should be publically shown as him trying to make a power play
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM
mhmmn
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM
and vetoing the decision of the mod team
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM
we can just remove his ptero access and all of his rights
fun fact
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM
since thats what it would be
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM
he has full ptero access AFAIK
like
wtf
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM
if he decides to veto a vote against him, then hes making a power play
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM
yes because for some reason he needs dev access to report on updates
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM
also who the fuck OK'd a minor being in charge of patreon funds
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM
who
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM
lmao
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM
tyler
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:57 PM
@sappho does tyler have ptero access?
i was told he does
i know he has admin on stuff like the testing servers
because he's shown it on stream before (not ptero)
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM
no?
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM
???
okay then now i have more questions
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM
Who ever said Tyler has access to any of that
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM
does ptero mean patreon or?
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM
moonly and i have full access to everything period
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM
i cant remember but i definitely was told that
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM
rob nano retr0 and ivory have ptero admin (edited)
+ moonly and i obvs
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM
I suppose a good question to ask, should it come down to it.. what powers do we actually have?
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM
@Moth🦀 pterodactyl, what we run our servers and stuff on (edited)
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM
ah
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:58 PM
or well
the panel at least
@Alibi the community should have the voice and feedback
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
the overwhelming voice of a community being tired of ignorance @Alibi
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
the staff should have the power to remove
and vote
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
also inb4 he just tried to cause damage when hes kicked out
because remember
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
No.. I am talking.. Nuclear option.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
"any project that doesnt have me is going to fail" - tyler mcvicker
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
no more riots
please
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
yeah
please
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
will yall chill
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
Wait
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sappho 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
we're having a staff meeting tomorrow
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
wait
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
do yall just outright want Moonly removed?
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
no
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fish 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
no
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
we're talking tyler
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 05:59 PM
OH
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
moonly is all good
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
No moonly is a good kid
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
No one wants moonly removed
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
i love moonly
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
i don’t want moonly removed
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
Hell no, Moonly has done amazing work.
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
he does so much
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
moonly needs to be a programmer
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
I was gonna say
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
but not a leader
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Ivory 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
lol
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
that's it though
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
just step down as the lead
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
what will likely occur is tyler and higps will be delegated to partner roles
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
MegabastardHeart
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
as opposed to staff
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
VNN and GPS need the boot though
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
moonly is good at what he does, which is coding and dev, not running the project
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
^
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
and I deserve my role restored
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
i just dont want tyler as a full team member anymore
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
we'll see
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
he is a great team member he just isn’t fit for running the entire project
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
return of the touge
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
im fine with him being a "partner"
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
especially with tyler’s influence weighing in him
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
but nothing more
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
*on
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
dont weirdchamp me u lil goblins
smh...
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
No.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:00 PM
he sould have the same access any journalist would have to a dev team
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
^
and thats it
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
which is no backroom access and only be given info thats agreed upon
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
agreed
he doesn’t need behind the scenes
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
i hope that we'll see isn't about my role being restored
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
causes unnecessary issues
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
he wants to be a journalist, maaybe he should finally start acting like one
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
it is
we'll see
chill
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
considering the community fucking melted both times i was removed
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
yall wanna take it at
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
chill
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
a billion miles an hour
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
guys
steph is right
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
I suppose we could write a simple "List of demands"
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
just
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
we need to be patient
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
Relax.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
he can start by removing the conflict of interest he has by reporting on creators while also being a staff member
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
guys
guys
guys
chill
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
we’re just getting a plan together for some objectives
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:01 PM
steph is right
we're going too fast
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM
we’re starting with “sit moonly down”
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM
yes
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM
this is the beginning
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM
thats what we want to do
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM
so anyway present me a reasonable document i can read off of tomorrow (sunday) at the staff meeting
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM
ok
im writing it
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM
we aren’t trying to do all of the things we are discussing rn at once
just spitballing opportunities
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM
im already writing something
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM
im writing it
@ZoNiCaL Make it a google doc so we can all contribute
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM
everyone give me literally everything
1 sec
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM
-vnn and gps are removed from staff and put on PR/vid content
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM
Post it in #feedback-docs
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM
i can’t work on it rn 😔
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:02 PM
-transparency with the community
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM
ill post it here and there
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM
-i have my role restored
that's it
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM
Dear members of the development team for Creators.TF. PREAMBLE The internet pulls us into many strange places sometimes. If you were to show a human 50 years ago what the modern digital age looks like today, it would probably cause sensory overload and it’ll kill them. On tha...
pin plz
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM
yeah those are the major points for now
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM
-vnn and gps are removed from staff and put on PR/vid content
@tougeFS VNN doesn't even do "Vid" content, and after that last display of giving a literal shit, why would we want him to continue?
Pinned a message.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM
because moonly isn't going to boot him
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM
we don’t!
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:03 PM
since he thinks he'll get a job at valve thru him
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM
fyi
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM
holy fuck
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM
bruh.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM
kekw
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM
come on man
lmao
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM
ok first off
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM
im glad tyler took it down
but bruh it was too late
he did something
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM
"Yep"
megabastard
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM
but that doesnt restore my faith in him
like 1% maybe
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM
Incredible response
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM
remaking the video doesnt solve the issues hes brought to the team
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:04 PM
“not to be rude, but it was awful
Based 1
well...
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:05 PM
okay
im going to organise categories on everything we want covered (edited)
and then everyone pick a section and write
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:05 PM
the list is simple
all that needs to be done is the evidence needs to be compiled
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:06 PM
but i want your stories in their too
i want all of us to be in there
this is a letter going to the team
its got to mean something
thats why i wrote the preamble as it is
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:07 PM
Can make direct links to the other docs
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:07 PM
marty’s input might as well be the links to all of the documents he made
(that were inevitably ignored)
perfect example
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:08 PM
Thing is, a lot of this can be dealt with after the restructure has been done.
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:08 PM
yes
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:08 PM
It's the main points that need to be stressed here
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:08 PM
restructure is the most important issue here currently
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:08 PM
tyler when he tries to "defend" the trans community despite multiple members of the trans and lgbt community disliking what he did (edited)
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:08 PM
everything else comes after
but first we need a team in working order and lead properly
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:09 PM
one someone who isnt moonly is given project head, then things can go slowly
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:09 PM
then we can get a team directed towards newer goals
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:09 PM
because if someone else can make the decisions theres more of a change of them happing than if we rely on moonly to do it on his own time
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:11 PM
I want a section about my removal
It was wrong, it was against the vast majority of the communities wishes
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:11 PM
touges removal and the lasting effects it caused on the project
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:11 PM
and realistically it's what started all this shit
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:12 PM
ironically the that techncally started this downfall was some random on twitter thinking marty was a staff member
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「Suilla」 25-Oct-20 06:12 PM
Lol
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:12 PM
if there wasnt lot of attention brought onto the twitter "cancelling" then noone would have known or cared
instead it was kind of the Streisand effect
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:13 PM
💚 1
AxoSpin 1
PogChamp 1
my current list
anything i should put in
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:14 PM
6. Drama
SoldierSweat
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:14 PM
yes
we're covering it for the sake of completeness
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:14 PM
very excited to open up those cans of worms again
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
i feel like there should be at least a part involving how staff should be upheld to the rules on the same level as a regular member
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
actually think tub of worms would be better to describe those clusterfucks
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
they are now
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
They mostly are.
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
what about the jonathon blackout
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
i.e when a staff member breaks the rules and get banned they arnt just veto'd and unbanned (edited)
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
no
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
cough404cough
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
404 was banned
he's now perm banned from the discord
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
yea and then unbanned a few days later
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
no
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
i spend all damn night fixing the backend im gonna post anime poggers gifs whenever tf i want
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
he's like fully banned now
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
yea after months of rule breaking (edited)
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
also yes 404 was permad
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:15 PM
yeah and that was stupid of us
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM
he was annoying
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM
i've brought it up to moonly like twice
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM
Besides, 404 quit TF2 altogether
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM
and he shrugged it off (edited)
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM
quite frankly
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM
i wanted to yeet him after he said he'd dropkick me on his alt
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM
once again, should’ve happened far sooner
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM
when 404 went onto the knockout thread and started shittalking people as a c.tf representataive to the point of being banned from the thread, he should have been removed (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:16 PM
also for the jonathan blackout, this is kinda when the project started to go downhill
anyways
if you're on the doc
feel free to take a section and start
i doubt we can get it all done
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:17 PM
ill probably do shit in regards to transparency
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:17 PM
what specifically happened with jon
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:17 PM
as thts the issue ive pushed for for months on end
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:17 PM
is it anything i dont know about
wym blackout
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:17 PM
he pulled everything down
remember
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:17 PM
when he left the project and took the servers offline @sappho
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:17 PM
thats just my title for it
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:18 PM
a
i fuckin hated that guy
he was a total dipshit
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:18 PM
fantastic.
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:18 PM
"actually its censorship to prevent me from saying the n word"
what a fuckin load
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:18 PM
i’m sure the drama section won’t be a major issue at all
what.
perdón?
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:18 PM
you heard me
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:18 PM
i unfortunately did
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM
@sappho you would have been really confused by MW2 lobbies lmao
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM
it was obviously more complicated than that but i told him "stop saying the word faggot in the dev discord please" and he ragequit
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM
and i’m not quite sure what to make of whatever i just read (edited)
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM
wym touge
what do u need explained
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM
the amount of times i got called a racial slur that i dont even belong to by a member of that racial group
was astounding
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM
it was beautiful
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM
i know
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM
is what it was
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM
but we can do better
we are doing better
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:19 PM
What happens when there's no moderation or moderation control.
Causal
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM
im gonna setup all of the sections in the doc
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM
yeah, casual, where i get instakicked for having a female name
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM
it would be really good if you did as much as possible
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM
not even joking
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM
i can’t really contribute rn
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM
idk there's something special about those 3 am guys calling you all sorts of shit while there's bong rips and vacuum cleaners and their moms yelling in the back
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM
@sappho is there a time for the meeting
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM
not yet
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM
reminds me of home redsCry
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM
also nunya
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM
mk
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM
was about to go to sleep before this all happened but now i’m here
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:20 PM
im gonna probably write some more tonight if i have time or in the morning
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:22 PM
i'd say i'd like to be in the meeting considering what happened and that I was the one who set this whole thing in motion
but i already know what response i'll get
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:22 PM
i see like four of y'all on it get goin'
ok it's all setup
get to work
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:25 PM
👍
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:25 PM
👍
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:25 PM
try and stick to each of the subsections
and if you want to add extra points do so
just write a paragraph or two on the point
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:26 PM
This will need some cleanup afterwards. I suggest typing in a certain colour to distinguish your comments
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:26 PM
mk math time now
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:27 PM
Surely they will read this feedback doc!
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:27 PM
steph is going to present it next meeting
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:27 PM
It will, because it will be read in the team meeting
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:27 PM
thats why i want you to all write it like now
so get writing
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:28 PM
and if it doesnt work what then
are you going to go with the walkout deadline?
because thats really your only option
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sappho 25-Oct-20 06:28 PM
i dont wanna walkout
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:28 PM
to put pressure on the project
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:28 PM
we'll see
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:28 PM
otherwise itll get blown off like every other piece of feedback
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:28 PM
just get writing plz pl0x
Dear members of the development team for Creators.TF. PREAMBLE The internet pulls us into many strange places sometimes. If you were to show a human 50 years ago what the modern digital age looks like today, it would probably cause sensory overload and it’ll kill them. On tha...
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:29 PM
There are other staff that could help that are not in here
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:29 PM
if you need to grab things from other docs then do it
just get it all in one place
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:29 PM
#feedback-docs
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:29 PM
zon this isnt really a "well see" moment this is do or die, things need to be concrete with what your going to do
you cant just halfass this
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:29 PM
i know
i know i cant halfass it
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:33 PM
then you need to be realistic in the sense that theres a large chance things will either be blown off, delayed or , "well think about it" and then nothing comes out of it (edited)
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:34 PM
Then we proceed to the nuclear option.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:35 PM
i kinda have to be blunt here, even if its mildly rude, since moonly and tyler have had 6+ months of feedback, why would this be any different this time (edited)
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:35 PM
Because it wasn't organised, it had no weight behind it.
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:35 PM
only thing we have going for this one is organization and staff involvement
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:35 PM
id say the september feedback document, which i helped leia write, was organised as fuck
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:36 PM
only thing i can think of that would make him care about one
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:36 PM
No, by that I mean staff organisation.
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:36 PM
yes but that was just leia
this is a large portion of staff and many community members
so it provides a bit more weight
unfortunately might not be enough
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:36 PM
staff organisation doesnt really matter when hes in a position to veto the entire thing or just try and compromise with a delay
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:36 PM
yep
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:36 PM
I mean the entire discord melted twice when I was removed and that didn't really go anywhere
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:37 PM
like what realistically will you do when he tries to blow it off, you need to be prepared for tht because its a realistic possibility
its not something you can wait and see about, you need to be prepared to use leverage or something to get stuff done if it doesnt work out
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:37 PM
i’m fully aware we need a backup plan, i’m just saying this is definitely more likely to succeed than other attempted documents
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:38 PM
if this letter isnt ready in time im gonna give steph the latest feedback doc
actually
you know what
@marty
can you add everything we've discussed today onto that doc
like ASAP
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marty 25-Oct-20 06:38 PM
whu
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:38 PM
this letter wont be done in time i dont think
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marty 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM
ngl, i've read maybe 50 messages of this server
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM
and i sure as hell cant
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM
he wasn’t even here for most of it
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM
hmm
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM
in fact probably all of it
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM
we need something to show
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marty 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM
i was busy sleeping, showering and having a morning walk
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM
thats ok
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM
is there any chance you could delay the meeting?
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM
no
i dont think so
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fish 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM
unfortunate
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM
when even is the meeting
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM
@marty can i give you a starting point and can you go from there
we dont know @Moth🦀
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:39 PM
hmm
i mean you could always just provide a fuck ton of single person documents
theyreright 1
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:40 PM
Why do you all think that moonly cares that much about staff involvement when he's been messaged by 2 staff and 1 discord mod about this server
and hasn't said anything other than rat
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:40 PM
like all the ones leia, marty, dann, me (sort of), ect have written
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ZoNiCaL 25-Oct-20 06:40 PM
true
we could just give steph all of those
idk this is just all complicated
sorry
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:40 PM
and hasn't said anything other than rat
@tougeFS He might be doing other things, be asleep again or any other reason.
Can't jump to conclusions
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:41 PM
then he should say so
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marty 25-Oct-20 06:41 PM
it's ~11 where he lives now
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:41 PM
or people should just be blunt with him and ask wtf hes doing
literally just ask "hey what are you doing, do you even care about the project, join the discord"
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:41 PM
He must have a lot to do considering all the other docs hes ignored
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:43 PM
if people want to take this thing seriously they just need to be blunt
and just try to get shit done
you can do what leia wanted to do, and just provide the mass amount of feedback docs to moonly during the meeting
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:47 PM
either way this seems like it will end up the same as every other attempt to get moonly to give a shit about his project
If he's unwilling to talk here, after 6 months of ignoring feedback, pushing it back to next year, not addressing my removal even though he said he would 4 months ago
You all have really convinced yourselves that somehow, someway this will finally be the time that he listens?
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:50 PM
We have to try. Besides, this will be an actual team meeting.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:50 PM
The last actual team meeting resulted in people not voting me off and yet I still got removed
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:50 PM
theyreright
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:50 PM
So you know, those have a great precedent in accurately representing what people want
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:51 PM
We'll cross that bridge if we come to it.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:51 PM
thats odd (edited)
it seems like that attitude is the exact same one moonly has had towards feedback the past 6 months
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:52 PM
So what you just want to straight up have a dramatic coup? No discussion with Moonly and VNN calling us all bad actors?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:52 PM
im saying there needs to be some kind of pressure for him to do stuff (edited)
otherwise it wont go through
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 06:53 PM
If Moonly doesn't understand the significance of prominent community members voicing concern with the direction of the project as well as staff agreement, then it's a lost cause.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:54 PM
theyreright
he should at least be convinced to join here (edited)
the fact that hes blowing it off, it just insulting
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 06:54 PM
what happened?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:54 PM
nothing, and thats the problem lol
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 06:54 PM
ah
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM
If we've lose moonly this entire project is dead. He's not just blowing off anything, he just doesn't understand thw significance of this, which isn't helped by the way steph sent it to him.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM
moonly aint doing shit and people think that all of a sudden hes going to have a change of heart and listen to feedback for once even though its never once in the past 6-8 months
If we've lose moonly this entire project is dead. He's not just blowing off anything, he just doesn't understand thw significance of this, which isn't helped by the way steph sent it to him.
@Alibi then make him understand the significance of this
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM
Sure, we may not represent everymemebrof the community but we care about this community project and we want it to succeed, this isn't a coup, we're not going against Moonly, we just want things to change to ensure that creators future is in stable hands
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM
moonly will change overtime if you guys stay persistent
cringe 1
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM
how is he supposed to know how significant this is if noone speaks up
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM
Because he spent that amount of time Making the contract system from scratch
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM
if moonly would kill the project over someone saying "you need to listen to your staff and community"
then it was already dead
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:55 PM
people have stayed persistent for 8 months hugo
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 06:56 PM
there won't be an instant change unless he seems convinced
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:56 PM
we at the point where theres no time to wait for "a gradual change"
a gradual change in the project is what should have happened after classful
not now that the project is about to dip under 20k players and noone is enjoying a bug ridden untested update (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:56 PM
8 months, 2 community meltdowns, 3+ massive feedback docs, -40,000 players isn't enough to convince him?
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 06:57 PM
true
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:57 PM
and 3 staff members messaging him directly?
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:57 PM
Early in the morning on a sunday?
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 06:58 PM
I feel like his recognizance (or inferred by some in here) to repay Tyler McVicker in some way is a major issue, it's like a blind following
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:58 PM
We don't know that for sure, we can't assume.
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 06:58 PM
I know, but if it is true, I mean
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM
why not just directly DM him and ask him why he hasnt joined
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM
he 100% thinks he owes tyler for publicity
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM
you just gotta be blunt
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM
was every day of the past 8 months an early sunday morning?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM
you dont need to have a chit chat you need to make him understand the gravity of the situation
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM
it just sounds like you all are afraid to actually do something meaningful
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM
Was this discord made 8 months ago?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM
massive feedback docs were
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM
I woke up like 10 minutes ago please forgive me
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM
bring him into vc instead of #general
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 06:59 PM
massive community backlash to changes were (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:00 PM
this doc is small compared to the complete fucking meltdown the community had before
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:00 PM
massive community meltdowns that made the entire project die for a day were
do you want this to actually go anywhere or continue running in the cycle of new (bad) changes > drama > feedback > ignored (edited)
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:01 PM
We need to give him a chance to state his case, and to verbally understand the gravity of the situation. Forcing this through without giving him a chance will make this entire effort fail.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:01 PM
well when he gonna do that
noone is trying to ask him right now to
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:01 PM
The team meeting..
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:01 PM
noone seems to want to step up and make him state his case
yea whenever that happens, we dont even have a date
he could easily just join this discord like touge has been wanting
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:02 PM
how about i invite him
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:02 PM
i mean if you can get him in thats good
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:02 PM
someones going to have to
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:02 PM
3 staff members have allready tried
and they got blown off
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:03 PM
Is he even online?
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:03 PM
maybe Retr0 could try
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:03 PM
he is
he was awake and responded to steph (i think it was steph) with a picture of a rat insteaf of adressing the messages (edited)
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:03 PM
its other this or a group DM
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:03 PM
That was ages ago
Nope, he's offline.
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:04 PM
At 2am
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:04 PM
Yes I am sure he will care and listen
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:04 PM
well i see the problem
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:04 PM
It needs to be more serious and professional
HesRight 1
I don't know what Steph thought that would achieve lol
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:04 PM
it wasn't spoken about as if it was urgent
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:05 PM
Exactly my point.
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:06 PM
ok how about this
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:06 PM
We need Retr0 in here as well.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:07 PM
you all spend your time how you want
all i'm seeing is the same shit that happened 8 months ago
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:07 PM
same
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:07 PM
And this discord was set up? With multiple staff members new and old?
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:07 PM
tomorrow me or Retr0 or someone Dm's him with the invite, you talk about what it is and don't get off topic, try have some feeling of urgency in the message so he won't just blow it off
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:08 PM
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:08 PM
i say tomorrow so he doesn't get mad about the invite getting spammed to him
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:09 PM
Like I said, do what you all think is best
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:09 PM
any objections?
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:09 PM
None
you all go for it
i'm sleeping
pce
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:10 PM
i could even just VC with him
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:14 PM
kekw
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:14 PM
Sigh
So be it
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:14 PM
while you guys argue about what to do tyler is redpilling moonly to just ignore all of you
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:14 PM
Where is that from? (edited)
@tougeFS
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:15 PM
The staff server
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:15 PM
when is it from
recently or?
im assuming it was a while go unless u have access to it, or someone send u that screenie
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:16 PM
@tougeFS Yes, When is it from.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:17 PM
not leaking
but recent
from earlier
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:17 PM
Context is key. How recently we talking here
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:17 PM
i think were past the point of "leaking" being an issue touge
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:19 PM
True
We’re talking earlier today
Like a few hours ago
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:19 PM
Fuck sake
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:19 PM
@everyone
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:20 PM
yea turns out while your all pissing about saying "eventully" moonly continues to be conditioned to disregard your opinions and our feedback
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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:21 PM
i'm awake now
what's the tl;dr
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:21 PM
Literally that image
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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:21 PM
yeah i know that image
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:22 PM
nothing has happened @Leia
as in
moonly is doing nothing
not joining here
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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:22 PM
yeah
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:22 PM
maybe do it at the source
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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:22 PM
we're having a meeting on monday night with the team and tyler
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:22 PM
This is going to go nowhere
Either we put pressure on and get him in now
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM
bruh tyler isn't even a team member, he said he quit
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM
Or VNN continues to groom moonly
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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM
wrong Flourbo
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM
Your choice
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM
yea im with touge on this one
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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM
okay i'm shaking rn this is too much stress but
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM
well after seeing that message i agree with touge
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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM
let there be this meeting
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:23 PM
Wait till after the meeting. Then all bets are off.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:24 PM
Every single delay is more time for VNN to continue this shit
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:25 PM
So what do you want to do then? Cause I'm not supporting a coup unless all options are exhausted, and there is still one last option.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:25 PM
Walking out is not a coup
A strike is not a coup
I’m not putting a bullet in VNN’s head and taking over
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:26 PM
a walkout is a peaceful protest of the current state of the project
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:26 PM
We’re just saying you don’t value us, so we don’t value you.
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:26 PM
You think VNN is going to give this up without a fight?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:26 PM
nope but if hed raather do a power play and remove anyone who had criticism
well
theres no point staying
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:26 PM
Mother fucker if half the staff and the 3 majorly important ones decide to leave
What can he do?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:27 PM
if the situation gets that worse, hell have to change in return for you returning
if he causes drama and starts insulting (i feel like tyler would) then show the world how much of a scumbag he us
hes allready bullied 1 valve project
(l4d2) (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:27 PM
We’re wasting time with anything short of just walking
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:27 PM
just make sure to record everything you do touge
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:28 PM
We've waited 8 months, we can wait a single day.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:28 PM
It’s obvious they don’t give a fuck about feedback
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:28 PM
can the project wait a day though
its dropping players
moonly is being redpilled into not wanting feedback and community change
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:28 PM
Alibi the fact you’ve waited 8 months is the exact reason we shouldn’t have to wait a day
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:30 PM
It's taken 8 months for the pieces to fall into place, for everything to come together. You want to throw it all out now before they're even given a serious chance to talk? Let alone convincing large parts of the staff to walk. VNN can happily declare this a coup from the crazy community and class us all as bad actors.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:30 PM
He’s going to call his own staff who willingly left crazy?
No one is going to believe him.
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:31 PM
Like no one believed him about OF?
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:31 PM
OF was still a huge success
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:31 PM
calm down lads
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM
Listen you all do what you want
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM
how about we make a compromise soldiersweat
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM
kekw
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM
do something both parties want
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM
"we wait another month for c.tf to drop to 10k monthly players THEN we do something"
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM
We can wait one single day for this meeting to happen. If nothing gets resolved, all bets are off.
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM
no im not talking about moonly and vnn
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:32 PM
Ok nevermind this is obviously a massive waste of time
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:33 PM
kekw
so dismissive that little moonly boy is (edited)
all we need to do to bring pressure is for touge to give me the OK and i just start dropping shit from the archives that show why creators needs to change, but im saving that as a "last resort" for when stuff like this doesnt work and touge just abandons this idea due to failure
this is why i kept the archive, so many projects, tf2 and not, just go "oh theres no need to change"
and the only way to deal with that is just fat solid proof (edited)
like how can you say "things dont need to change" when theres screencaps of you saying stupid shit and the community melting down over how bad of a decision it was (edited)
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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:36 PM
Hello Moonly
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 07:36 PM
Hi
(guess I woke up at the correct time)
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:36 PM
Absolutely perfect time Kaya, because this is where it hits the fan.
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:37 PM
Retr0
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 07:37 PM
Do I have time to read everything that has been said during my sleep
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:37 PM
@Moonly Days You here to talk or just try to dismiss everything. I’m not trying to waste anyone’s time.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:38 PM
tldr people arnt taking this seriously and wanted to delay getting stuff done till a "meeting" that had no concrete date @Kaya (edited)
lol hugo deleting his "im cringing at moonly" message
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:40 PM
There's no point trying to hide anything. It's make or break now.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:40 PM
I’ll put it simply, c.tf is dying. The community is tired of the lack of communication. VNN removed the one person with a creative vision and deeper understanding of the game from the project, HIGPS has done nothing but piss the community off and make mediocre content. (edited)
You’re down 40,000+ players, staffs questions and concerns are ignored and pushed off.
There have been numerous, multiple page docs created outlining all these issues and nothing has been done to fix any of it.
People are fucking sick and tired of wasting time on a project whose two leaders do not care about them. Or what they have to say.
@Moonly Days
And leave Leia out of it, they haven’t leaked shit other than the past few things they’ve posted.
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:43 PM
Hi Touge, what's up.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:43 PM
I know you’re messaging them right now, you can invis all you want.
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:43 PM
Ah good, Retr0s here to now
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:43 PM
👀
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:43 PM
Yeah I got invited
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 07:43 PM
I have invited him
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:43 PM
sup Retr0
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM
So...what are we talking about
I guess the future
And c.tf
Obviously
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM
no this isnt the future
this is the now
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM
and the past
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM
But shit seems kinda serious
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM
the change that needs to happen now before there is no future of c.tf
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM
Alright I see
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM
c.tf is going to keep bleeding players and dropping mediocre updates unless shit changes
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM
We aren’t talking about shit because @Moonly Days refuses to actually interact with anything anyone is saying (edited)
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:44 PM
the shit people like me. marty, leia and more have been saying since fucking april
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:45 PM
Something has to change and we can't be dismissed or ignored any longer
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:45 PM
and have had ignored while moonly pisses on the community by making changes noone wants, kicking the hornets nest and just generally straying away from ANY transparency
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:46 PM
So what you all pretty much imply is that Moonly is an abusive "owner"?
Or whatever
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:46 PM
not abusive
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:46 PM
No.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:46 PM
just kinda completally imcompetant as a "owner"
as an actual dev hes good (edited)
but as an owner who makes decisions for the project he isnt good
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:46 PM
Oh ok
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:46 PM
No. Moonly has done some amazing work, and he is still a core part of Creators, but as project lead it's another matter.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:46 PM
the actual abusive owner is tyler
as seen in those screenshots above
trying to redpill moonly into thinking the community isnt needed and just whiney
and just generally trying to undermine the project
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:47 PM
I was on the fence about Tyler until he dropped that 3 minute laugh of a video. (edited)
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:47 PM
His refusal to take criticism and feedback while cooperating with Tyler McVicker, a massive detriment to the project, is what is starting to make creators fall to pieces
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:47 PM
Fucking embarrassing
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:47 PM
Aren't we like, all in favor of booting Tyler off?
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:48 PM
Everyone except moonly
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:48 PM
yep
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:48 PM
And I guess what prevents us is Moonly (edited)
Yeah
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:48 PM
everyone in here, staff and community, want tyler gone (edited)
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 07:48 PM
We all are.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:49 PM
this could have been solved long go if any attempt to make changes where happen during the numerous meltdowns of the discord server due to drama and generally bad publicity (edited)
but sadly its been 6 months
nothing has changed (edited)
the latest update is the nail in the coffin that something needs to change
either now or never
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:49 PM
You mean you were seriously on the fence about Tyler despite him threatening legal action towards someone as a scare tactic to asset his authority because his power in the valve community has no end in accordance with his undeserved popularity and dissonant behaviour and attitudes towards people, touge and Jonathan included, and the community as a whole.
?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:50 PM
so is @Moonly Days just going to ghost here harder than he ghosts the partnered discord or is he actually going to address stuff
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:50 PM
all i can say is, its obviously scary to kick someone off that has a lot of influence, but that doesn't matter, it will ruin YOUR project as a whole if you don't @Moonly Days i actually don't play on c.tf or team fortress in general and i can obviously see how bad this situation is
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Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:51 PM
I'm meeting with my friend in 15 minutes, I'm not going to talk about anything while I'm with him. If you want something to be changed, make a list of concrete points that needs to be made to improve communication, not just "lack of communication". I'm off for now.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:51 PM
Mother fuck
You literally just copy pasted what you told leia
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:51 PM
@Moonly Days We literally have entire google docs listing and explaining this.
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Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:51 PM
Yes i did
What is the problem with it
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:51 PM
This has to be a joke lmao
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:51 PM
Moonly
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:51 PM
do you actually care about listening to us @Moonly Days
yes or no
do you actually want to hear us and anything we have to say
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Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:52 PM
I do
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:52 PM
or are you going to waste our time with meaningless "turn it into a pretzel even though its allready in neatly written documents"
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 07:52 PM
No need to be harsh just let him time please
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:52 PM
may we schedule something with you then for after you meet with your mate? @Moonly Days
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:53 PM
Moonly this isn't just about communication, this is much bigger than that
Communication is only one strain of the change that we seek for the betterment of this project
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:53 PM
this is issues with the project as a whole, your inability to act on feedback, the refusal to address situations which have been promised an addressal
the lack of transparency causing people to dislike new updates
or release with bugs
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Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:54 PM
Do you all know how fucking hard that is to pull everything together, while everything was on fire this weekend, and I'm still in process of pulling everything together? And at the same time i have to read every message and doc you present? And at the same time i hage my own life, okay? If you want me down so much, go ahead, seek a new owner.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:54 PM
have things been on fire for 6+ months?
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:54 PM
The list is pretty simple. -VNN is moved to press only -Higps is moved to YouTube content only -Dev blogs and Q&A are implemented -I am given my role back
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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:54 PM
this is not about getting you down Moonly
hesright 3
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:54 PM
We don’t want to see you or the project die dude @Moonly Days
hesright 3
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM
because this is more than "issues with this update" these are issues that date back to the beginning of the year
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM
Someone else promoted to project lead.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM
You’re a great dev, you’re not a great project leader.
And neither is VNN
You’re down 40,000 players my guy you can’t ignore that.
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Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM
VNN is already kind of press-only. He is just in charge of making videos.
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM
Come on Moonly, VNNs vid is a fucking mockery of your work and effort.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM
your an amazing dev moonly, but your kinda bad at the whole management thing, which is why we want to see someone who can help organise things while you stick to doing the amazing work you allready do
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM
We want you to be able to code and not have to worry about this kind of stuff.
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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM
Come on Moonly, VNNs vid is a fucking mockery of your work and effort.
the video is down
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM
he doesn't seem like just a press guy
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Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM
He takes zero participation in actual development
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:55 PM
Delegation.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM
yet he still acts like hes the face of the project
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM
And yet you took his word over the communities on my removal?
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Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM
When he said that last time
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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM
why does he have access to the entirety of the dev server then? why does he keep saying "we" while he has 0 contribution to the actual update?
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM
That’s hardly just press my guy.
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM
That's our issue Moonly, you are doing too much, everything. Administration, management, development. No one can do all of these.
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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM
^^^
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM
hesright
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM
Dude I’m not even on staff and I literally chose every single Halloween map.
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:56 PM
Things should split up for your own sanity and the future of the project.
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:57 PM
Why did he mention a manpower update that never existed on stream? If he isn't involved, why is he trying to will things into existence?
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Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:57 PM
I'm off now. Will catch up later.
Cya
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:57 PM
He must have a certain amount of power to believe that he can say something on stream and expect it to happen
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Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:58 PM
I can talk about it with him personally.
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:58 PM
Thank you
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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:58 PM
this should be brought on with the rest of the team though
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 07:58 PM
basically moonly. you need tolet someone else take reigns with the project, you saying you dont have time to deal with it is the core issue, if you dont have time then ask for help, let someone else take over, you dont need to do it alone and just charge through it headlong (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 07:58 PM
Mediocre in-between when the vast majority of your staff want him removed.
If you think he’s how you get your job at valve you’re sorely mistaken. (edited)
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Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM
Issue is not to give someone reigns. Issue is who to give said reigns
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM
make it a 3 way ownership
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM
Touge is option that I personally advocate for
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM
but do it with people who the community trusts
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM
Steph? Rob? Literally anyone who's pet dedication into this.
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM
It's not WHO it's WHO in plural.
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM
Rob is also good
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Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM
Steph already suggested themselves
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM
Multiple people should manage multiple stuff
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Leia 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM
I'm dedicated to the project but I'll never be project lead
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Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 07:59 PM
I'm considering her for now
We'll talk about it on our meeting
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM
Put steph/rob in charge of development, put me in charge of content and put someone else in charge of PR
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM
touge has said he would be willing to return to the project to help it get back on its feet
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM
🙏
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Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM
Which is basically mostlyabout it
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM
This is not a hard issue.
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM
I'm the head mod and I'm happy with it so...
Also
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM
hesright
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM
That meeting will need to be multiple people.
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:00 PM
i personally think it has to be more like a council than an owner
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Moonly Days 25-Oct-20 08:01 PM
Alright, from now, send me a dm if you want me to read something
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:01 PM
Didn't Touge like...got kicked for "not being efficient" or something by higps
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:01 PM
Why is HiGPS even still here?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:01 PM
higps wasnt the one to kick him, he was the scapegoat
the one they shifted the blame too
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:01 PM
Would be great if I wasn’t blocked by you @Moonly Days
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:02 PM
The whole "partnered with balance mod" thing was another mistake.
Buuuut I guess that's a talk for #gps-discussion
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:02 PM
I s2g
Yep still blocked
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:03 PM
@tougeFS give me your message
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:03 PM
Nah
Fuck this
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:03 PM
aight
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:03 PM
Waste of my god damn time
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:03 PM
We can't give up touge.
This has to happen.
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:04 PM
Comes here, doesn’t talk, then denies anything being wrong, then has a meltdown about how we want him to fail by trying to fix things, and then leaves?
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:05 PM
Wait until the meeting.
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:05 PM
He has something else to do, give it some time
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I thought we were not forcing?
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:05 PM
you have to make it feel like its his idea
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:05 PM
In his defense he's still trying to fix everything from the SF update such as website overload and economy shit
hesright 2
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:05 PM
He's already said that Steph was already an option.
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM
He's obviously very stressed considering the update came out like less than 3 days ago
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM
personally i think Rob would be the best option but steph is also great
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM
In his defense he's still trying to fix everything from the SF update such as website overload and economy shit
@HyperDan he can do that as a dev, instead of owner
so
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM
So.. wait for the meeting. We've brought this to his attention.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM
what are all your plans now
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM
Yes but my point is that it's contributing to him not communicating heee
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM
are you just gonna sit and let it get blown over like usual
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM
get some rest
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:06 PM
eat breakfast
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM
yeah that too
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM
I'll say it again, power should be divided equally and fairly between the most capable and active staff. Just my opinion.
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM
agreed
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM
are you just gonna sit and let it get blown over like usual
@Moth🦀 No, because the meeting will be the make or break. Literally one day.
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM
should be a council
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM
i did way more on this update than I should
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM
I don't see why there is an "owner" for a community project
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM
We just saw what happens if one person has to deal with everything (edited)
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:07 PM
i allredy know how the meeting is going to go
sorry to spoil stuff
people will be let go
feedback will be shoved aside
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM
should be 4 people each in charge of a section, then they come in for a meeting once or twice a week to discuss
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM
tyler and moonly will make a power play
and the project will be fucked
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM
tyler and moonly will make a power play
@Moth🦀 Then they will only have themselves to blame.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM
sorry for spoiling the ending, but this is based on 6 months worth of incidents
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM
don't be such a downer
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM
At this point, if stuff go down like that I will resign. I don't want to be part of a fuckfest but part of something nice.
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM
i mean
if we want this meeting to suceed
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM
@Retr0 agreed
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:08 PM
give me some docs
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:09 PM
don't be such a downer
@Flourbo whats there to be a downer about
this is my i told you so moment
i gave feedback for months (edited)
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:09 PM
All in #feedback-docs @Leia
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:09 PM
i wanted to prevent this (edited)
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:09 PM
we got some stuff through to him, not all but some
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:09 PM
even now, after the way people treated me with all the bullying and harassment, im still helping because touge and leia are my friend (edited)
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:09 PM
its better than what we had 10 minutes ago
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:10 PM
if shit hits the fan i can say i tried my best
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:10 PM
Lets hope that's enough, else there will be walkouts and resignations.
Zonical will leave for sure, Retr0 just said his part.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:10 PM
i mean there is another option
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:10 PM
if they leave ill leave
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:10 PM
I can't do much personally but I'll leave the public server as a vote of no confidence
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM
where you send me as much screenshots relating to why moonly should be owner
i allready have a lot
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM
retr0 and zonical are the reasons i still stay Retr0cringe
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM
but thats from either leaks or public discord
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM
thanks hugo :)
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM
@Moth🦀 We're not doing personal smear attacks, this has to be by the book.
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM
and you epic gamers too
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM
lol
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:11 PM
when the meeting falls through what else is there to do other than let the community know why moonly needs to go
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:12 PM
I don't know if I'll leave yet but that would bring me down if Retr0 left.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:12 PM
whats he gonna do, fire the entire community
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:12 PM
Delete the discord.
megabastard 2
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:12 PM
We'll do a magna carta only for kat to remove every message and complain that it makes her uncomfortable
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:12 PM
forgot to add you to @Kaya ❤️
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM
Daily reminder that the majority of the community is centered around discord, and he can delete it all just as quickly.
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM
The events servers are like the only reason I play c.tf anymore
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM
truje
*true
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM
That's how much this has caused my enjoyment to die
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM
Daily reminder that the majority of the community is centered around discord, and he can delete it all just as quickly.
@Alibi not if mods actually help
whats he gonna do fire the entire mod team? then people will know hes pulling a power play
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM
He can ban us with two clicks so...
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM
who
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM
yea and then that does the same amount of damage as revealing why he needs to step down
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM
moonly
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:13 PM
And we are not equal with staff
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM
why would he do that
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM
@Moth🦀 Nope. The owner of the discord doesn't need mod permissions. Discord owners have the sole power to end the server.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM
i know
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM
@Kaya exactly
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM
We can just released it on reddit or tf.tv?
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM
why would he do that
Yeah true.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM
but if the owner of a server decides to nuke his entire staff team then people will see that
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM
As a last resort of curse
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM
wait for the meeting, that's all i ask
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM
^
agreed
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:14 PM
this is all for if (when) the meeting falls through
im not one to cause problems without valid cause
even though most of you think that anyway 🙂
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM
I don't like the fact that key people are not here like Rob and Jota
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM
agreed
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM
touge is trying to get them
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM
i thought rob was here
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM
I mean, Jota has even left the main server months ago
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM
theyre either offline or not responding
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM
I can invite Rob?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:15 PM
i was in vc with touge untll about an hour ago
he wants rob in here
jota im sure hed be fine with
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM
question
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM
anyone whose willing to help push for change
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM
Does rob need inviting or did touge already do that
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM
what ever happened to asheneru
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM
Banned
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM
i know touge wants him, i dont know if he sent an invite
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM
For nono stuff
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM
I'll dm him anyway
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM
i know the banned part
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM
Like racism and kinds of phobias
Oh
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:16 PM
from disc or c.tf
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:17 PM
Both
The account is deleted on disc
And steph banned them one day
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:17 PM
ah
they were the one that added me as a mod lmao
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:17 PM
Right I'm gonna message rob with an invite
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:17 PM
Yeah ik
You and Grant
cringe
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:17 PM
grant was a bad choice
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:18 PM
Guy couldn't handle his first day lmao
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:18 PM
who the fuck is-
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:18 PM
Yeah
Oh Kaya you don't know
A mod that came in with hugo
Left without any notice the next day
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:18 PM
demolaugh
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:18 PM
the whole server
i have a feeling its due to the amount of funny pictures i sent them
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:18 PM
Right I'm gonna message rob with an invite
@HyperDan go for it, touge was telling me he wanted him here in vc
anyway i guess you all wait for the meeting to happen and things go up in smoke
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM
current mod team is full of chads
Xdoubt 3
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM
Done with as much professionalism as my half hour awake brain can do
current mod team is full of chads
@Flourbo and kat
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM
Ima go too, cya later
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM
see ya
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM
kats kat
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM
true lmao
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM
genocide
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:20 PM
bruh
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:21 PM
ill leave yall to think about what you guys wanna do when the meeting goes through
because im allready working with touge on the contingency plan
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:22 PM
If*
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:22 PM
Please ping me if there's any news
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:22 PM
@Kaya I'm about to start gaming
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:23 PM
game world of warcraft with me
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:23 PM
I don't have it
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:23 PM
welp
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:23 PM
I'll game momentum mod private alpha though
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:24 PM
Daily reminder that Zonicals google doc still needs writing.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:25 PM
i dont think zons doc is an issue right now
when we have a bunch of separate ones
and are able to articulate the main points like we just did
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:25 PM
daily reminder that you should all compile your docs into one doc
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:25 PM
Would be good to have an overview. Which is basically Zons doc. It's in #feedback-docs
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:25 PM
my doc is staying private until the terms i told leia are filled, even if im helping now im not breaking my morals any further
or untll change happens
if touge gets owner ill give it to him lol since hes swag af (edited)
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:26 PM
if i want the meeting to succeed i'll have to present one doc that is the combination of all the others
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:26 PM
So, we need to work on Zons doc
Use that as the base.
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:26 PM
because people don't want to waste their time listening to a french person reading text
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several of them even
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:27 PM
if you guys wanna work on zons doc then go for it i guess
i have my own stuff to attend to,
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:27 PM
I don't know I kind of liked it 😔
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:27 PM
Make the doc as simple and to the point as possible
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:27 PM
ngl i have to say i'm worried about my position in the team even though i always said i love this project too much to see it disappear
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:27 PM
And record every single person who wants VNN/GPS gone
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:27 PM
and i'm using what's in my power to warn people
btw
i still don't know how 4chan works
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM
wdym warn people
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM
whistleblowing or some shit
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM
bruh are you posting shit on 4chan
i dont think nows the time for that leia
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM
I DON'T KNOW HOW 4CHAN WORKS
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM
i do
😉
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM
yeah so I'm not leaking shit on 4chan
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM
im not gonna leak shit till stuff is prepred and touge gives the OK
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM
I don't even know how 4chan works
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM
Can we not get 4chan involved please.
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:28 PM
That'd be the worst thing you could do.
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM
The only time I ever used it was to read the Jonathan drama lol
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM
yeah same
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM
no one takes 4chan seriously
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM
Same
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM
and I can confirm that leia has no clue how 4chan works
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM
Idk there’s a lot of people who take 4chan seriously
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM
so whoever leaks the dev server on 4chan remains to be known
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM
Well tell them to stop LARPing
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:29 PM
It’s a mixed bad but I don’t want anyone posting anything from here to it
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:30 PM
Do you think Cipher would be interested in joining here @Alibi
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:30 PM
Friendly reminder that Covid news was on 4chan before it hit the MSM
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:30 PM
so whoever leaks the dev server on 4chan remains to be known
@Leia 404
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:30 PM
Back in January
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:30 PM
there were reports of covid as far back as december iirc
but it was like 1 - 2 people
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:31 PM
@Leia 404
@Moth🦀 isn't he not in the team anymore
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:32 PM
nope but he was leaking stuff right after he was removed
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:32 PM
to be fair he's a literal manchild that doesn't surprise me
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:32 PM
yep lol
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:32 PM
i'm talking about someone (who?) who leaked stuff as we were talking
like 5 minutes later you'd find a screen on 4chan
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM
on here?
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM
what was sent?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM
oh wait wtf
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM
i think it was the general channel or something
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM
someone leaked shit from here? based?
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM
and many people have access to it
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM
is there a thread of this you can link to
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM
nah from the dev server
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM
ah
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM
ah
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM
i don't have a thread because i can't be bothered searching
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM
I thought you meant here and then I was worried
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:33 PM
all i'm saying is that i can't be the leaker because i don't know how 4chan works
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:34 PM
cant see anything on tf2g
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:34 PM
that was a month ago or something
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:34 PM
that matches to 404s removal
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:34 PM
oh yea that was 404
it happened right as he was removed (edited)
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:34 PM
yeah but leaks were happening after he got removed
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:34 PM
he saved stuff
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:35 PM
and you weren't on the team then leia
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:35 PM
not hard to take a screenshot of the channel list
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:35 PM
no no i'm talking about actual discussions
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:35 PM
no leia was when 404 was removed iirc
oh?
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:35 PM
yes
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:35 PM
interesting
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:38 PM
it's like screens of people talking literally a minute ago that got posted on 4chan
and i wake up to that
because you know, america
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:39 PM
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:39 PM
if you really want to consider me as the 4chan leaker you'd have to get me fueled on caffeine and change my sleep schedule to america working hours
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:39 PM
how do respond
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:39 PM
Elsewhere?
Wdym?
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:39 PM
@tougeFS What do I say to this lmao
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:40 PM
Public server this is impossible
Tell him everyone is here
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:40 PM
explain that moonly agreed to discuss this here and that numerous staff and moderators have aggreed
and that its basically a list (edited)
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:40 PM
Moonly is here
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:40 PM
this server is a list of people who want the project to change
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:41 PM
I’m sleeping now
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:41 PM
sleepy touge
gn
MegabastardHeart
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:42 PM
Welcome Rob
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:43 PM
helo
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:44 PM
rob when he joins and says literally nothing
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Kaya 25-Oct-20 08:45 PM
ffs let time to people to catch up with everything
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:45 PM
ThanosDaddy
you dont need to catch up to say "h-hewwo 🥺" (edited)
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:47 PM
h-hewwo 🥺
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:55 PM
😳
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:56 PM
sorry leia but im taken
not really im very lonely (edited)
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:56 PM
sure
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:56 PM
I am taken. Taken as a joke.
Cheems
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Leia 25-Oct-20 08:57 PM
mood
i mean that's what zon said
as well
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:57 PM
I’m taken too, meet my husband
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 08:58 PM
hot FlushedGoomba
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:58 PM
He’s just like me
😳
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:58 PM
It's so you!
Good shit!
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:58 PM
Here’s our son
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:58 PM
Where does Slim Larry fit into this canon
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:58 PM
this is all very suspenseful isnt it
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 08:58 PM
poggeux, as the french say
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 08:59 PM
Slim Larry is the god of the Hugoverse @HyperDan
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:59 PM
im not sure what outcome to will for
like out of all the good ones that is
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 08:59 PM
Either way. I want in on this merting. @rob5300 @Leia @Moonly Days @Vipes
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 08:59 PM
the only bad outcome is "people just decide to let moonly do his thing and the project dies"
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 09:00 PM
I chose every single Halloween map
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:00 PM
Or atleast record it Retr0
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 09:00 PM
And I have the DMs to prove it
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rob5300 25-Oct-20 09:00 PM
My time that im avalaible may not fit best but ill try to be there
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:00 PM
he is right you know
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:00 PM
I just want a recording so I can see how things are like behind the scenes tbh
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:01 PM
i mean we allready have a few recordings of behind the scenes stuff
so we know what its like
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:01 PM
We do?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:01 PM
its pretty nasty
well i do
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:01 PM
I must see
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:01 PM
because im active in the community in a sense
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:02 PM
Not now but I want to see eventually (edited)
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:02 PM
i mean it gets posted on 4chan occasionally
its the whole touge tranny clip where tyler freaks the fuck out
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:02 PM
Is the dev server public?!?
Ah
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:03 PM
if you wanna see what tyler is like theres a bunch of leaked clips from other project's meetings too (edited)
and illegal stream clips c.tf doesnt want posted
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:03 PM
Oh I can tell what he’s like
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:04 PM
society if c.tf didnt censor information regarding the issues with the project
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:04 PM
He kinda reminds me of yanderedev but actually productive (edited)
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 09:04 PM
bruh...
how did the project end up like this
honestly
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 09:04 PM
Project will fail because you guys won't add jump servers 😔
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:05 PM
is that an actual question: should i start with everything i said in april/may before i was relegated to being seen as a "troll" and "harassing people"
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:05 PM
Tf2 community isn’t the nicest community out there
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:05 PM
ThanosDaddy
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:05 PM
Reminds me of WoW community
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:05 PM
because quite frankly ive been calling this shit out since the fucking beginning of me joining creators
and it resulted in me being ostracised
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 09:05 PM
The c.tf community are a mirror image of what’s happening to WoW
Actually no
Now that I think of it
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tougeFS 25-Oct-20 09:06 PM
This is what happens when you let grifters who don’t care about the game be in charge
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 09:06 PM
(and bullied and harassed by numerous people) (edited)
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 10:36 PM
speaking of leadership roles I’d like something kinda like art director or something. Whatever is fitting for the nudges and pointers I keep doing
Now I go back to sleep
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 10:37 PM
Well, i'm sure if new managers are chosen, they can set things up
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Noodle 25-Oct-20 10:38 PM
My fault for sleeping I guess hueh
I want to sum up some of my thoughts once I properly wake up.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 10:43 PM
oh shit noodle is in here
pog
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Noodle 25-Oct-20 10:43 PM
Been here since last night before my scrims
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 10:44 PM
pog
but yea shit happened and theres going to be a "staff meeting" which is probably absolutely going to fall through
somehow i dont see tyler "any project that doesnt have me is going to fail" mcvicker going down without lots of screaming
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:01 PM
or a "if you take me down, I'm taking it down with me" attitude
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Noodle 25-Oct-20 11:03 PM
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Noodle 25-Oct-20 11:12 PM
The key points right now as I understand them from my limited knowledge of what's going on on the dev side is that there is no solid Product Manager and our PR leaves a lot to be desired and hangs on a unhealthy dependency on VNN. I was kind of shocked to find out Leia was basically the organizer for this past event when they have a simple writing credit. Combine this with the fact Moonly is already stretched thin as is and it's clear a PM is needed to help structure everything and check off all the boxes when it comes to things like verifying author crediting and consent. For the dependency on VNN I find it stems from the fact we have no YouTube presence of our own. Having an official Creators.tf channel to coincide with our major updates seems like the logical progression to help us spread the word of our updates. Being solely reliant on Tyler who is kind of a third party is not the right way to go. (edited)
For @sappho I will say I empathize with wanting to decompress after working hard all day and putting a lot of effort into this project but acting inappropriately in the #general chat of the main discord is not the right place or way to be doing that. It can't be understated how much praise you deserve for the amount of work you put into the project but the majority of the community is well aware of your special treatment in terms of the Discord's rules and it's not a good look. You need a better outlet when you want to just hang out where you can speak freely without having to worry about being professional. @tougeFS there is one concern I heard about you in the past regarding taking a bigger role in Creators.tf development that I think is warranted and you should keep in mind. This is your very competitive leaning opinions. I'm not going to sit here and try to act like balancing new weapons from a competitive standpoint first isn't a healthier way to go but I want you to be aware that if you're doing any sort of design process(weapons, map selections, etc) that Creators.TF is supposed to be a casual oriented community. This is already one of our big weak points that we can't really fix ourselves, the most common issue the playerbase at large has with our servers is the skill jump. The only way this could be fixed is to have a much larger playerbase but that's not exactly a simple solution. On the other hand we should be wary of exacerbating this problem further by making the servers overly competitive with future changes. (edited)
Professionalism is also something I've been harping on since before I joined as well. Using slurs, threats, and off color jokes in a professional environment(the dev server) is cringe and needs to stop honestly. I understand some of the volunteers are still young but everyone needs to act maturely in a professional team environment.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:21 PM
right now the goal is for the mods and staff who are a part of hte meeting to try nd get tyler removed and moonly to step down to just a dev
after that things could ideally be put at a slower pace when someone who is guarenteed to push changes is in charge
but i dont expect things to go smoothly
i expect them to go tits up to the point where actual leverage will need to be used to force hand
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:23 PM
@Noodle said exactly what i was thinking
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:23 PM
as has every major community interraction in the past 6 months
and touge feels the same way
im just putting it a lot nicer than he is
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:26 PM
we wouldn't need vnn if we had a youtube obviously, i have stated this quiet a few times in the mod chat, also with the steph thing i aslo agree, steph has a little bit of controversy behind her mainly due to just general chat, hence why i thought Rob would be another good pick, it seems like the best option would be for there to be no actual owner and kinda have it as people in charge of sections, this way everything thats done is voted and everything gets a second opinion, i think the dream team would be, Moonly, Rob, Leia and Steph all being in charge of their own section
i don't know what they would do in said section mainly because i hardly know what they do in general, all i know is that leia does the writing and steph does serverside stuff
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:28 PM
Me in charge of jumping :megabastard:
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:28 PM
should you as a mod know this info
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:28 PM
as i have stated many times
im the only mod
that has never played in c.tf
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:29 PM
not like youd be able to now anyway, considering they removed aus servers lol
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:29 PM
true
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:29 PM
400 ping USA here we come
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:29 PM
Can the argument be made that they shouldn't know this because they're not fully fledged staff? They're just volunteers to keep order while the real team does their job
Even though it's still shitty
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:29 PM
nah i just don't know because i don't look into it
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:29 PM
these are what aus servers were removed for
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:29 PM
oof
should've just had 1 aus server instead of 5
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM
if servers arnt being used in the US, whats the issue with them not being used in AU
before they were removed there was only 2
and 2 singapour ones
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM
only needed to be 1
1 singapore
1 aus
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM
2 aus
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM
nah
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM
i mean that would work too
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM
so if you get steamrolled yo ucan stop whining and play somewhere else
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM
1 aus never even got filled
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:30 PM
lmfao
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:31 PM
1 aus would get filled back during peak players
aka HE
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:31 PM
nah never
i have never seen the aus server full
hence why i never played
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:31 PM
Turns out, the real Hazardous Environment was the internal structure of c.tf 😏
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:31 PM
oof
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:32 PM
i find it funny how after being treated like shit i still have more info on how creators works that the fucking mods
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:32 PM
nah
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:32 PM
:Sorry:
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:32 PM
im the only exception
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:32 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:32 PM
the rest of the mods know quiet a bit
so i often ask them stuff
they seem to know a lot more than when staff had perms
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:33 PM
sometimes i wonder what would have happened if back in april/may, the staff had listend to me, marty and all the other people who gave them feedback
we probably wouldnt be in this situation
if only though (edited)
instead i get the i told you so moment i deserved
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:36 PM
To be fair a lot of people on the inside didn’t like Tyler way before this because how he acts. We just kept quiet and kept our heads down
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:37 PM
"We have no communication issues" >Literally no communication outside the website and Discord >Many other systems such as Steam/Twitter were flatout abandoned. >Only started updating through steam because I kept prodding mods. >People constantly asking questions all over the place to little to no response.
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:37 PM
Just like some apparently don’t like me but instead of saying anything they vent to 4chan
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:37 PM
to be fair you had a LOT of issues that i helped pushed for to get changed, including the fact that the staff shouldnt have mod perms and the trello (edited)
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marty 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM
For me one of the notable things is that, as i put it multiple times, "tyler thrives of hype, and creates that hype if he can't find it anywhere else", and that "overhyping the update hurt the project more than anything" the combination of those is just pure rip.
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM
which we fixed pretty quickly
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM
yea after a few months
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM
I’m not in the power to do any changes moth
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM
^
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM
im not talking about you specifically
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM
vipes had perms but he wasn't the problem
ah nevermind
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM
never said he was
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:38 PM
That’s not me saying I don’t agree with what you’ve been saying from the start
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:39 PM
its more or less the general attitude people had when i pushed for things, even touge who im friends with now, was resistant to changes like mod perms on staff (edited)
which caused a lot of tension between us, but im glad we sorted things out and are buddies
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:39 PM
Believe it or not I was actually for a lot of the stuff you mentioned before you said anything
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:40 PM
^
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:40 PM
I just kept quiet. I don’t like stirring the pot
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:40 PM
tbf, you wernt the most public staff member at the time
i dont think you were listed on the discord at the time
or even on the website right?
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:40 PM
Retr0 was also pushing to remove mod perms for staff for months
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:41 PM
Correct. I was with the team since the beginning but I chose to be hidden due to drama concerns. Concerns that Jon proven correct
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:41 PM
we just don't go public with stuff like that because it makes people start more drama then it should be
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:41 PM
yea, all the 4chan stuff, which is pretty shitty
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:41 PM
Yeah
Exactly why I wasn’t credited or known until Jon outed me
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:41 PM
jon outed you?
im guessing after he quit you joined back
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:41 PM
Outed me as a staff member
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:42 PM
iirc jon mentioned vipes was staff when he was leaking shit on 4chan
and i think he told me when he was talking to me personally (edited)
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:42 PM
@Vipes I don't know much history behind you. I presume it's rather long?
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:42 PM
same
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:42 PM
oh boy
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:42 PM
He plays FO76 and that isn't allowed in gamerworld 😏
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:42 PM
Wait, Vipes you're in the Hawken Refugees?
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:42 PM
I know it’s not right to keep secrets but I had my reasons to keep me being staff secret
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:43 PM
he was targeted in a harassment campaign from 4chan
from even before i joined the discord
shit like "vipes is a pedo" or "vipes is racist"
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:43 PM
Not just that. A good major of the workshop community straight up detest me. Two even doxxed me
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:43 PM
Wait, what?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:44 PM
or "vipes is on the team so he can get cosmetics onto c.tf, and can pay him royalties to embezzel funds to buy fallout 76 atoms" and the only reaction to this is
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:44 PM
Anyway this ain’t about me. I’m just clarifying I was here since the beginning and why I was kept a secret
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:45 PM
all i can say is, just because mods are not saying stuff in #general doesnt mean we are not agreeing with you, we just try keep it down low because it makes our job harder when it causes riots, hence why we get mad when people bring up drama in #general, we just want to fix it without the 100th riot starting
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:45 PM
I was concerned that having me on board would be a hindrance
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:45 PM
To be fair @Flourbo starting a riot in the discord is rather hard now. You guys have been doing a fine job, especially since you're organised and allowed to actually do your job.
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:45 PM
Yeah. I still feel like shit for the here ping. I was only trying to help
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:46 PM
yea, just having a blanket ban on anything thats negative on creators (such as marty's vid) does wonders for control 🙂
tbf that one is on moonly specifically iirc (edited)
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:47 PM
yeah just giving context, when someone is banned for "constantly stirring drama" they are not causing the drama, they are just causing so many riots and getting people to complain about it when we are trying to fix it
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:47 PM
Moth taking potshots however true doesn’t help your case man. You could have brought it up a bit better
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:47 PM
i mean i was specifcally talking about the decision to ban marty's vid
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM
martys vid?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM
which has nothing to do with me or my case
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM
Yeah. I still feel like shit for the here ping. I was only trying to help
@Vipes Sorry, I did give you a bit of shit for that, I apologise
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM
this one
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM
was that a mod choice?
or a staff choice
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM
aparently if you post it your supposed to get muted and have it deleted because moonly considers it targeted harassment
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM
Wait that video is banned? Damn am I out of the loop or something
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM
or both
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:48 PM
tbf that one is on moonly specifically iirc
what did she mean by this??? (edited)
from what people have told me, specifically marty, he was told that the vid isnt allowed to be posted in c.tf
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:49 PM
i have never seen it tbh
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:49 PM
@HyperDan nah it isn’t people giving me shit. It’s myself giving me shit for causing chaos.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:49 PM
its just tyler being a cunt
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:49 PM
i can see that
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:49 PM
saying shit like "c.tf will work on an OFFICIAL mannpower update"
when theres 0 plans to
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:49 PM
I mean, I did make a great video out of it :P
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:50 PM
or "any project that doesnt have me is going to fail" (edited)
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:50 PM
omg
why does he remind me of a more productive yanderedev wtf
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:50 PM
because he is????
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:50 PM
One thing to learn about me. When I fuck up even unintentionally it messes with me and... yeah
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:50 PM
hes borderline a lolcow
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:50 PM
One thing to learn about me. When I fuck up even unintentionally it messes with me and... yeah
@Vipes Yeah. That happens with me too. I get you
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM
its like a bingo sheet
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM
dude is doing the yandev thing where he wants to be a twitch streamer instead of having an actual job
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM
Well, because the discord is an open and adapted system, many lessons have been learned and it has improved because of it. Such as, only certain roles can ping everyone now.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM
better not make a c.tf bingo, that would be TOO drama related ThanosDaddy
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM
nah nothings bad about being a twitch streamer instead of having a proper job
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM
society if we just moved back to irc tbh
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM
its just everything else
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM
i mean when hes sacrificing his journalistic integrity
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM
ah true
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:51 PM
the fact that NOONE has brought up the issue of conflict of interest
hes a "journalist" right
he shouldnt be reporting on things he has a personal stake and investment in
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM
You’re implying he had integrity to begin with
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM
true
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM
does he have a degree?
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM
yea
degree doesnt mean jack shit tho
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM
then he is a journalist, just not a good one
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM
hes a "journalist" in the say way id call tabloid writers journalsits
because thats what he is
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM
He was like this way before creators.tf. He just managed to get worse somehow
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:52 PM
a tabloid journalist
oh yea this isnt a new thing
ive been following him since the beginning of his channel
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:53 PM
it just became more public i guess
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:53 PM
hes always been overhyping, clickbaiting, and more
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:53 PM
Same.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:53 PM
shit like "half life 3 confirmed........................(leaks)" (edited)
or taking credit for other peoples work (edited)
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:53 PM
tbh i have known of him for ages but didn't really watch him till now
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:53 PM
And refusing to fact check. Like shit that should be super obvious if he just asked people in the know
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:54 PM
remember when he spent like 6 months calling l4d2 source 2 only to be proven wrong and ever piece of "evidence" was bullshit that had nothing to do with source 2
like sure, l4d2 was getting branch changes
but to say that means source 2 is disingenuous
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:54 PM
I don't think VNN is in a good place right now, he hasn't been for a while. Well, make a clickbaity video about TF2 for 3 minutes get more ad revenue than a half an hour fully researched other Valve related thing, it's going to screw with him eventually.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:54 PM
it's going to screw with him eventually.
it allready has imo
if he wanted to get hired as an actual journo
who would want him
he has massive negative rep
and the company he reports on dislikes him
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM
i have never seen a "pr manager" with such bad rep
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM
You'll be surprised
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM
I hate to say this but I think 4chan might be onto something about Valve detesting him and someone being the dedicated Tyler whisperer
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM
ah ye then again the guy who made HDTF works at blizzard
that is 100% true @Vipes
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM
HDTF?
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM
I’m not surprised
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM
theres a reason hes never had any concrete info from actual valve members
hunt down the freeman
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM
wtf
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:55 PM
the dude who heralded the project got a job at blizzard
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM
how?
how. at all
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM
“If you are a girl hello!” Truly a simp before simps
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM
iirc (cant find the stuff but take my word for it) he said he worked with valve when making hdtf
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM
Oh god i'm posting that image
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM
IF YOU ARE A WOMAN, HELLO!
hi
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM
Retr0
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM
reminder he had a gf when he was saying that
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:56 PM
Woman. Not girl. Damn I got it wrong
It’s still stupid
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:57 PM
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:57 PM
i feel like theres an alt universe where vnn never took off and he became an incel
because he kinda has that toxic attitude
where its all about him
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 11:58 PM
I just want to clear up something and/or avoid any misunderstandings. Mods don't know anything about what is going on behind the scenes or in their dev server. Before anyone says "why do you have a role called Moderator in the dev server and know nothing?". Said role allows me to see a vc and a channel which is only me and everyone else that has a role. The reason that was created was for me to speak with another sub teams (like for example the potato.tf mod team) and has only been used once. Regarding the team as a whole, we know what we are told to and I always wanted the mod team to be as much transparent as possible and act based on the community and feedback and not personal interest.
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:58 PM
And some people have the balls to say I’m worse than Tyler
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 11:58 PM
Thanks, I'll go back to my diner now.
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:58 PM
And some people have the balls to say I’m worse than Tyler
@Vipes obviously just jealous he can fuck his GF ThanosDaddy (edited)
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:58 PM
wait we are allowed into the dev server?
bruh since when
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:58 PM
which is something hes actually said iirc
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 11:58 PM
At some point someone posted an invite in mod chat
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM
may i have an invite?
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Retr0 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM
I can't create one.
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM
darn
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HyperDan 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM
Good to see c.tf is organised
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM
if you are a staff member, Hello!
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Vipes 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM
Wait. Tyler shittalked me? Oh this is rich
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Moth🦀 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM
no it wasnt you specifcially
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Flourbo 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM
@HyperDan just remember i don't look into this
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Alibi 25-Oct-20 11:59 PM
@Retr0 Your leadership and dealing with things in your control has lead to major improvements and advancements for the Discord. I have seen that first hand, so I have nothing but praise in that regard.
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM
i don't represent the rest of the mods
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM
it was just something he said where he was like "your jealous i can fuck my girlfriend anytime i want" to someone (edited)
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM
If you are able to think you are able to will updates into existence, hello!
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM
not you specifically
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Vipes 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM
Ah
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM
@Alibi agreed
retr0 is a alpha chad and a saint
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM
See now, apply what Retr0 does, and use it with the entire project.
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:00 AM
zonical too
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:01 AM
Or, make Retr0 project leader :Retr0:
cringe 4
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:01 AM
Retr0 run for the election
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:01 AM
Retro News Network - Valve news reported, properly
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Noodle 26-Oct-20 12:01 AM
@Alibi Speaking of apply 👀
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 12:01 AM
I need to get this off my chest tho: @Moth🦀 I am sorry. Sorry for not handling your ban case calmly and sorry for causing a storm I didn't want to begin in the first place.
I know you shouldn't scratch old wounds but I had to say this.
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Noodle 26-Oct-20 12:02 AM
I was actually trying to get everyone to calm down and take their time to think clearly personally.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:02 AM
im not sure if this is the time or place for this but thanks
its appreciated
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:03 AM
No @Retr0 this Discord is a mutual ground for everyone, even if it is bringing up old wounds and drama. Some things were never resolved or fixed, this is the time and place to do so.
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:03 AM
I'm procrastinating working on this tifa2 movement map idea, help
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:03 AM
tifa?
like the ff7 character?
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:03 AM
Titanfall 2 movement
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:03 AM
ah
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:03 AM
They recently added it into momentum mod
I wanted to make a short map testing out ideas wit hit
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:04 AM
oh shit, that sounds interesting
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:04 AM
Wallclimbing is pretty much what they've added
I can show it off if you want
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:04 AM
no grapple yet?
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:04 AM
I have like no experience with it though since I've never played titanfall
I think Gocnak mentioned that might be a plan for the future
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:04 AM
ive played a bunch of it, i fucking love it
grapple go wheee
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:05 AM
Here
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:05 AM
too bad it takes 5 mins to find an aus server lol
u gonna stream it?
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:05 AM
No, not at all
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:07 AM
tbh heres my c.tf dream, 4 head coordinators of the project instead of 1, stop relying on VNN for any publicity, C.TF Youtube which can be run by 1 of the head coordinators who could make weekly development videos or something which would replace the need of VNN
thoughts?
there is obviously stuff missing like Gps and all that
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:08 AM
Momentum Mod is a first-person platforming game built on Valve’s Source Engine that centralizes movement-oriented game modes from various games like Counter-Strike, Team Fortress, Half-Life, and Titanfall. Speed is quite literally the name of the game, with each game mode offe...
Release Date
Summer 2021
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 12:08 AM
POGGERS
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:08 AM
@Flourbo If things go well, I have a LOT of plans for things in terms of community interaction. They will need to be organised, but I love doing things like that.
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:09 AM
well if you are wanting help
i got too much experience with that shit Retr0
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:10 AM
I can organise, but content comes from the Community. Case in point, Marty has spent a significant amount of time in his tutorial videos. They need to be showcased and expanded upon.
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:10 AM
hmmm
we should get a group together for a C.TF YT
and propose it
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Leia 26-Oct-20 12:10 AM
Noodle and Kaya are working on it as well
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:11 AM
after this stuff of course
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:11 AM
We won't be just chucking any old videos on there, there will be a bar of quality. But there's plenty of people here that can collaborate.
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:11 AM
sign me up gamer
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:11 AM
And Youtube is just one system of Many.
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:11 AM
twitch?
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Leia 26-Oct-20 12:11 AM
mhm
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:11 AM
Perhaps. Have you seen my doc?
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:12 AM
i have not read any of them yet
im great with livestream stuff
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:12 AM
#feedback-docs Give them a read, you'll be surprised at the potential.
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:12 AM
all my overlays, alerts and all that are handmade
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Leia 26-Oct-20 12:13 AM
pog
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 12:13 AM
then i recently got super into photoshop and made this
makes me happy
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 12:15 AM
@Flourbo Creators could certainly use that passion
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 12:15 AM
@Moth🦀
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Leia 26-Oct-20 01:12 AM
So I'm done reading all the backlog from last night
We really need to put out a list of points for feedback
So that steph can read it because now I'm self-conscious about my english accent :cringe:
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:43 AM
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:43 AM
@rob5300 can you?
pls
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:44 AM
I've been doing my best to spread the word however I can, including the steamchat.
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:44 AM
Same I was doing that yesterday
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:45 AM
just add ?servers or some command tht posts a text saying "the servers are down" (edited)
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:45 AM
^@Retr0 that's for you now megabastard
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:45 AM
so people can just go ?servers
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:46 AM
I just woke up to 3000 messages and a ping from here
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:46 AM
2_monkaGIGA
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:46 AM
DAN DONT POST CUM THIS IS FOR SERIOUS DISCUSSION LOL
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 01:46 AM
sorry I don't know what came to me
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:46 AM
Does anyone know the ping, was it important ?
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:46 AM
TL;DR Moonly joined and apparently things will go down during the team meeting.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:46 AM
it was tyler redpilling moonly @DeLichte
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marty 26-Oct-20 01:47 AM
Does anyone know the ping, was it important ?
touge did an at everyone (edited)
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:47 AM
touge posted this image with an @ everyone
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:47 AM
litche btw
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:47 AM
Thank you
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:47 AM
>We don't have an issue with communication Literally people asking why the servers are down every 5 minutes because there hasn't been an official announcement across the board.
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:48 AM
Okay so moonly does seem to stand up to VNN so now i kinda feel like an ass
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:48 AM
why would you feel like an ass
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:48 AM
I saw something about head roles popping up?
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:48 AM
tyler is grooming him
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:48 AM
I assumed moonly didnt
Tyler grooming him? In what what way?
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:48 AM
like in the sense that hes grooming him to not accept communtiy feedback
not like sexual grooming
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:48 AM
I haven't seen much of what was sent so i might not know
ohhhh
okay
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:49 AM
moonly is 17 and tyler is like 20something (edited)
and he has a lot of influence, moonly obviously looks up to him
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 01:49 AM
bruh tyler cant be 20
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:49 AM
I don't think that's the correct word, but it's more Tyler is re-enforcing his perspective.
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 01:49 AM
he acts like a 18 year old
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:49 AM
There is Very clearly an issue with communication
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:49 AM
yea hes like 23 or some shit
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:49 AM
Is there a screen shot of VNN grooming him? So far what i have seen is evidence of moonly standing up to tyler
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:50 AM
the image i just sent is
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:50 AM
@DeLichte Standing up? Moonly is agreeing?
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:50 AM
where hes saying shit like "you dont need community feedback just stop listening to people that arnt me
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:50 AM
Moonly: I don't see any issue with communication
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:51 AM
ahhh i see
What's the context of that ss btw
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:51 AM
Moonly: I don't see any issue with communication
@Alibi proceeds to have the entire discord meltdown due to the removal of a staff member that still hasnt been addressed to this day
touge posted more context after it
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:53 AM
who 👍'ed it?
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marty 26-Oct-20 01:53 AM
if vnn then DEMOMEGALUL
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:54 AM
yea
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:54 AM
oh yea and moonly joined here and basically him and the staff (possible mods too i dunno if theyre allowed in on this meeting) are going to do a thing to discuss the issues @DeLichte
i predict it will fall through
and tyler will cause problems by refusing to stand down and convince moonly that the people are just out to get him or some shit
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 01:55 AM
mods should be allowed tbh
or atleast Retr0
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 01:55 AM
or he tries to compromise where he promises hell get stuff done this time for real, even though he didnt the past 6 months of times
i know touge is going to push as hard as he can to be there
seeing as hes effectivly still a staff member with how much he helped with halloween
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:56 AM
thanks rob
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Leia 26-Oct-20 01:57 AM
so we still need to do a list of stuff to bring upon during the meeting that one of the staff members will read
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rob5300 26-Oct-20 01:57 AM
tis done. Guess we can do steam too
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 01:57 AM
Retr0 should be allowed - i dont need to be involved. Im just a game mod. But the guy who's directly above me and help me, Retr0, should be for sure..
Depends on what Kaya and J. think too
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 01:57 AM
@rob5300 I think the Steam Group deserves a full announcement explaining all the issues because they have no idea what is happening, the one that does not use discord
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 01:58 AM
@rob5300 You didn't tag @Server Status Updates
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Leia 26-Oct-20 01:59 AM
not everyone has that tag enabled though
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sappho 26-Oct-20 01:59 AM
slinging an accusation like "vnn is grooming moonly" is exceptionally irresponsible and inappropriate
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Leia 26-Oct-20 01:59 AM
indeed
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sappho 26-Oct-20 01:59 AM
its also very bluntly not even close to true
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:00 AM
i mean they have private meetings where we don't have any idea what they're talking about
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:00 AM
Retr0 should be allowed - i dont need to be involved. Im just a game mod. But the guy who's directly above me and help me, Retr0, should be for sure..
Same Retr0 should be
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:00 AM
No one said vnn was sexually grooming moonly WeirdChamp
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:00 AM
the word grooming is just inappropriate in that context
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 02:00 AM
hesright
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:00 AM
Influencing is probably a better choice
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:01 AM
but still aaaaaaaa we need to get a list of things to bring on the table for the meeting tomorrow
if we come up and we have nothing to say, what's the point
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:01 AM
tomorrow is the day
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:01 AM
@Leia We just need to fill in Zonicals doc
He's already outlined the points
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM
Moonly only wants "do that because that"
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM
yeah, just copy-paste everyone's feedback in that doc because that's pretty much the same things
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM
he wont read that
i mean
maybe
but too long
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM
Moonly only wants "do that because that"
we can do a tl;dr out of zon's doc (edited)
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM
he just wants the points
yeah...
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM
Moonly's not going to be reading it, it's going to be VC discussed. (edited)
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM
ye
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:02 AM
He'll listen to rob and steph
and retr0
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM
probably me but i doubt it now
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM
Retr0 has to get in (edited)
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM
But they need talking points
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM
probably leia too
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM
So, we need to fill in Zonicals doc
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM
yeah
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM
zon awake rn?
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM
So they have something to follow
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM
I still need to read all the docs
I'm going to now
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM
some people have the audacity to live in NZ
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM
slinging an accusation like "vnn is grooming moonly" is exceptionally irresponsible and inappropriate
@sappho grooming as in "grooming to reject feedback"
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM
Zon doesn't need to be awake, he's left it unlocked
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:03 AM
not inherantly meaning the sexual thing
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM
oh swag
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM
@Moth🦀 Bad choice of words anyway
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM
yeah but the word is still innapropriate
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Noodle 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM
It comes off that way though
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM
thats the only way to put it when tyler is much older and moonly is a minor
and hes using his fame and influence to change moonlys thought process
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM
heeeeeeeh
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM
Moonly's also not an idiot
theyreright 2
I promise you that
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Noodle 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM
Influencing
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM
influencing is the word
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:04 AM
tyler is 23
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:05 AM
that makes a 6 year difference
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:05 AM
Moonly's also not an idiot
@DeLichte His response to everything isn't helping. Especially when there are serious communication issues and he just brushes them off
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:05 AM
i mean i suppose i see where you are coming from
but the usage of the word grooming is inappropriate
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:05 AM
yeah let's move on to something else
what are the bullet points we're going to say
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM
what are the bullet points we're going to say
@Leia They're already in zons doc
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM
because we have to keep it short and clear, then handout the doc if they want to read it
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM
Dear members of the development team for Creators.TF. PREAMBLE The internet pulls us into many strange places sometimes. If you were to show a human 50 years ago what the modern digital age looks like today, it would probably cause sensory overload and it’ll kill them. On tha...
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM
Right, but when steph and rob bring up the concern to him he'll listen. He's stressed out beyond what we can comprehend right now and those closest to him on this project will help us help him.
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM
Yeah moonly isn't an idiot but he lacks a certain maturity
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM
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Noodle 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM
Come at the points as summations and elaborate as needed
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM
Do not pretend I am your mouthpiece
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:06 AM
yeah
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:07 AM
Rob and I are independent people and have independent thoughts
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:07 AM
one of my main concerns right now is that moonly thinks i'm the 4chan leaker even though i don't know how this website works
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:08 AM
4chan sucks
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:08 AM
If he's going to accuse you without evidence, then he has no basis to stand on
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:08 AM
I know, but the reality is that you guy are extremely important to the project and I think moonly hearing this from you two would be better than from someone like moth who is the polar opposite (no offense moth)
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:08 AM
and this is also very insulting after all the work i've put into that update
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:08 AM
thats why im not participaiting in the meeting @DeLichte
im just here because touge and leia value my opinion as someone in the community
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:08 AM
Did he say that Leia or are you inferring that
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:08 AM
Leia, fuck, i keep forgetting leia
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM
was he like
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Flourbo 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM
bruh
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM
joking
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM
just a joke xd
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM
don't think so
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM
WeirdChamp
Haha funny
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM
not really appropriate to joke about when theres allready high tensions
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM
Good one moonly amirite
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:09 AM
that's literally what he told me after joining the server
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:10 AM
twiikuu
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:10 AM
so i'm not sure if i want to be very vocal in the meeting because of that
i feel like this is going to be my last meeting because of that
even though i have a lot to say
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:11 AM
If you don't stand up for yourself, they will assume guilt.
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:11 AM
The last thing anyone wants are any staff or members feeling at jeopardy for having something to say
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:11 AM
yeah
i mean
if any of us get laid off, the project is over and the discord is on fire
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:12 AM
Leia, i apologize if you feel like im undervaluing you work at c.tf. You do a lot and I think you're integral for a lot of these processes.
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:12 AM
that's ok
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:13 AM
I have already talked with Retr0 about what we will do if the Discord is on fire, we are planning things to avoid what happened in the past
But let's hope it does not come to that
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:13 AM
yeah
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marty 26-Oct-20 02:15 AM
ngl, most ppl active int he discord rn are either here, or ppl who have no idea about anything. sounds rude, but is the truth (edited)
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 02:15 AM
Might want to delete this
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:15 AM
ye done
I'll post rob's message
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 02:23 AM
As I said I always want full transparency for mod actions
So
As a follow up to what Kaya said
The plan of action in case a riot/shitstorm breaks out is to utilize the rank roles
In case dead people that haven't even spoken in the server come and take advantage of the chaos in order to rule break
hesright 1
We lock them down and let the regulars/veterans speak in order to get actual opinions
and not just spam
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:25 AM
hopefully no shitposting by staff during the entire thing
which was an issue where staff would just make jokes and memes while stuff is locked down
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:26 AM
It's no time for shitpost
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 02:26 AM
Thank you Kaya
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:40 AM
im hungry
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 02:40 AM
hi hungry
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:40 AM
hi hungry
sex
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 02:40 AM
?????????
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:40 AM
im stuff
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM
can we not plzzzz
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM
LOL WHAT
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM
im not shitposting
im hungryposting
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM
go eat food
cringe
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM
my partner wont make me any
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM
hi hungryposting
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM
Sadge
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:41 AM
learn to cook. top 3 skills i could reccomend anyone tbh
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM
i know how to cook
i just dont wanna
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM
then starve
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM
im hungryposting
@sappho is this where you post a bunch of hungrybox clips, like how touge has his collection of comp frag compilations he posts all the time? (edited)
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM
WeirdChamp
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM
then Perish
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM
then pewish owo (edited)
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM
UwU
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM
Perish the Platypus
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM
sex
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:42 AM
transgunbastard the thigh highs, suilla, put them on
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:43 AM
sweatingsoldier
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:43 AM
if you want me to stay as your medic GF then obey
who else will heal you in pubs ThanosDaddy
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 02:43 AM
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:43 AM
sowwy 🥺
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:44 AM
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:44 AM
god i love that vid
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 02:44 AM
WHY IS IT TWO MINUTES LONG
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:44 AM
because its based?
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sappho 26-Oct-20 02:45 AM
based
based on what
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:46 AM
😳
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 02:46 AM
based on the hardware that's inside it
Based
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:46 AM
TRUE
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:47 AM
ANYWAY
i've updated zon's doc with what i could think of
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:47 AM
ok
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Leia 26-Oct-20 02:48 AM
it's just bullet points and "this has to change because"
please go edit it with y'alls stuff
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 02:53 AM
join vc tbh
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 02:57 AM
Are we wanting to have certain people take roles ? Like community manager and etc? Or is that a bridge too far
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 02:58 AM
Well, we don't know what's gonna happen in the meeting until it happens
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 03:22 AM
this really be a bruh moment
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 04:32 AM
@marty since i know you're good at this, what's the biggest problems with communication?
or @Alibi
im working on that section rn
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 04:36 AM
Normally, it's the job of the community manager to mediate between the staff/devs and the community. To bridge that gap, if you will. Right now, the communication between what's happening from the staff is all over the place. Some times announcements aren't pinged correctly, othertimes only the Discord is updated.
People asking on Steam what is going on, people asking in the help channel what was going on because there was no widespread announcement about the API being down.
There needs to be someone, normally the community manager, that ensures all social media is up to date with the correct information. Checking off things like a ticklist. Is Discord updated with correct pinning? Is Steam been updated? Has the website been updated? Has Twitter been updated? Who is doing what? Etc (edited)
The Server Twitter account has been MIA for months.
This is all outlined in my google doc.
Discord cannot be the only source of information and server updates.
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 04:50 AM
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marty 26-Oct-20 04:52 AM
@marty since i know you're good at this, what's the biggest problems with communication?
showing that there is something worked on. we make fun of valve bcs we have no idea whether they haven't visited teh tf2 office in 2 years or whether there is a legion of programmers working on shit, we simply have no idea whether something is done same thing with c.tf. we never know when ppl work on something, and who works on something by providing a quick overview of what is going to happen in the next update (e.g. a little blog post about stuff added in sf update: 2 new cosmetic collections, a contract system rework, a few maps, no weapons), then people will know what to expect, while still being surprised when it drops. this also basically kills off overhyping, since the community know what is to come. this way, we can also see who does what, by saying e.g. moonly does the contract system rework, leia picked maps and cosmetics, etc. just showing who works on what, doesn'T need to be specific, but ppl can still get a picture of what to expect
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Leia 26-Oct-20 04:53 AM
yeah i already wrote something like that
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 04:53 AM
^That is what the community manager would do. Snippits could be provided to them which they could write up the blog posts with
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Leia 26-Oct-20 04:53 AM
but please put a tl;dr and "main things to change" first, then the detailed explanation
because moonly won't read a 16 page doc
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 04:55 AM
i mean why does moonly need to see the general overview when the idea is he should be replaced with someone who actually wants to read this stuff
and then implement the changes as moonly said a few hours he is "too busy to do everything"
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 04:56 AM
i feel like im more active when it comes to the events servers than the team is with updates
because i would always talk about casual comp and what i was doing
like where i was, what maps i wanted to add
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 04:57 AM
Thing is, staff like Steph have been doing things but they've been completely unnoticed by the vast majority of people because it's not been spotlighted.
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 04:57 AM
i was actively communicating with the discord and getting a lot of crucial feedback
we need more things like this
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 04:58 AM
because quite frankly trying to explain every single issue to moonly and have him try and solve them is a lost cause
hence stepping down and letting someone else handle it
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 04:58 AM
this isnt just for moonly
the entire team is seeing this
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 04:58 AM
ZoN you do not imagine how much I've asked people for stuff while doing the Silly Servers soldiersweat
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 04:59 AM
^ this too
this too
im putting this in kaya
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 04:59 AM
I mean
Moonly asked for stuff about the update or just gave us insights
But in the mods channel
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 04:59 AM
yeah
thats his only form of talking or communication
just because we're trusted
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 04:59 AM
We knew about the update and some content way before it released
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:00 AM
^^^
why can't he do it to the community if we're also just essentially elevated community members
like we think it's all awesome
and it was
ZoN you do not imagine how much I've asked people for stuff while doing the Silly Servers :soldiersweat:
@Kaya can you elaborate more
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:02 AM
My connectivity isn't optimal right now
I'm stuck in trafic and might lose signal in a few seconds
aaaaa
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:02 AM
allg
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:02 AM
will write later
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:02 AM
just get it to me asap because it's a really good example of what could be done
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Leia 26-Oct-20 05:11 AM
it's either you communicate with no one, or you communicate with everyone
you just can't show mods what we're doing
just because you trust them enough to not leak
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 05:11 AM
Question, why would leaks be a bad thing anyway?
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Leia 26-Oct-20 05:11 AM
i have no idea
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:11 AM
leaks should only be bad if they have private or compromising information
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 05:12 AM
There's always this assumption that everything update related needs to be secret until it's realised. Why?
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:12 AM
if what we've been seeing from the dev chat so far as "leaks", then they dont fall under what i've said
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Leia 26-Oct-20 05:12 AM
i mean it's still good to keep the Tainted Tome and Battle Pass secret
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:12 AM
yes (edited)
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:20 AM
ye
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Leia 26-Oct-20 05:22 AM
@ZoNiCaL @Alibi Tyler wants to see the document, can I share a "View" link to it?
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:22 AM
@Kaya can you elaborate more
@ZoNiCaL Asking to members what maps they would want to see on the silly servers, some lines for the gravestones plugins that represents the discord, asked a few times to some people death run maps or stuff they remembered and could be benefic to the server as a whole?
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:22 AM
@Leia it's not done.
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Leia 26-Oct-20 05:22 AM
that's what i told him
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:22 AM
then i am refusing to give the link
he can wait until the meeting
if he does show up
hesright 1
feel free to screenshot and send
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:23 AM
Also asked and listened to stuff about the fundays (edited)
Idk all events are related to the community as a whole anyway
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Leia 26-Oct-20 05:27 AM
well Tyler is doing his own google form
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:27 AM
on what
whats wrong with c.tf
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Leia 26-Oct-20 05:27 AM
yeah or something
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:27 AM
okay then
then screenshot and send him this:
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:28 AM
ok im gonna be really blunt here
tyler needs to have no leighway
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 05:28 AM
Tyler lost my vote of confidence with that shitty half assed video.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:28 AM
he needs to be gone, unless he can make some amazing fucking case
he needs to not be trying to debate the will of the entire staff team
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:28 AM
Tomorrow on VNN's channel: Creators.TF's failing explained
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:29 AM
you guys dont need to find a common ground with him
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:29 AM
you don't need a google form to tell you whats wrong the project. you have a handful of documents that have already shown valuable feedback, yet so far, you've refused to acknowledge their existence and take them seriously. instead of wasting time making a form, look at what's already there, and whats to come.
@Leia send him that
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:29 AM
you just need to kick him off the project
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 05:29 AM
@Noodle Comp opinions are irrelevant. No way the injector wouldn’t have been banned instantly but I still designed a rework
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 05:29 AM
@tougeFS I need your help with HiGPS's part of the doc
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:29 AM
or fuck it let me in the dev server again and i'll talk to him
im willing to roll up my sleeves
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 05:29 AM
I’m going to shower and take my gf to work
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:30 AM
im gonna go eat breakfast and keep writing
i dont have sport for a few hours
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:30 AM
well Tyler is doing his own google form
@Leia there shouldnt be a need for this
unless hes planning a power play
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:30 AM
exactly
my fucking point
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:30 AM
and is writing
"heres a list of staff i want gone for not sucking my cock"
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:31 AM
you don't need a google form to tell you whats wrong the project. you have a handful of documents that have already shown valuable feedback,
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:31 AM
he doesnt need leighway
he doesnt need to prove a point
he just needs to be kicked off the project
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:31 AM
@Leia can i personally ask for a full audio recording of the upcoming meeting?
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:31 AM
multiple people have allready confirmed theyre gonna record it
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:31 AM
oh ok
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM
like touge and leia
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM
if there's any sensitive info dont include it
just focus on what we want
alright brb breakfast
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM
tyler is going to try and shift the narrative
btw
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM
yeah dont worry
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM
hes gonna try and cause infighting and doubt
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM
we've got a plan
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM
that he should be given a 2nd chance
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:32 AM
okay
if he tries anything
i want to be there
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:33 AM
that it isnt entirely his fauly
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:33 AM
it's not but he's got such a major role in it
that it cant go unnoticed
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:33 AM
the man who says "any project thata doesnt involve me is going to fail" isnt going to leave without a fight
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:33 AM
i personally dont care if my reputation in the source engine community is ruined by telling tyler to go fuck himself (edited)
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:34 AM
a lot of people in the sourcemod community would love to hear you say that
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:34 AM
ive already lost my dignity and im willing to go into the negatives
ive got nothing to lose
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:34 AM
the only people who like tyler are either close friends or fanboys
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:34 AM
Don't worry the whole staff is already aware he could turn things around like he did with Touge.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM
yea, and sorry if i have doubts but i can see this easily falling through where tyler sweet talks his way into convincing people they should drop this idea yall got here (edited)
👆 1
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM
Have you seen the OF meeting?
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM
yep (edited)
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM
I'm exactly thinking of that.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM
thaats exactly what i mean
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marty 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM
DEMOMEGALUL
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM
where the entire team slowly gets convinced to be on his side
hesright 2
demo_hesright 2
HesRight 2
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:35 AM
He doesn't need to be an intelligent perseon, as long as he is persuasive, he has a chance of beating us, and we cannot allow that to happen
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:36 AM
due to sweet talking and threats
shit just needs to be done and done, he doesnt need room to argue
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:36 AM
we have what like
15 people here
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:36 AM
touge wasnt given room to argue, not the first time, nor the second
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:36 AM
and close to a 1/3 of the staff behind us
we have a voice
we just need to fully show it
and not give in
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Leia 26-Oct-20 05:37 AM
he's fucking getting on my nerves
my body is entirely shaking
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:37 AM
did you send him my message leia
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Leia 26-Oct-20 05:37 AM
basically, nano and tyler agree that what we're doing (a feedback doc from some members of the community) is not representative
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:37 AM
the worst case scenario is the staff members who arnt in here group up and stan tyler or whatever
nano disagrees huh?
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:38 AM
"is not representative"
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Leia 26-Oct-20 05:38 AM
so tyler is doing a survey so that everyone can answer
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:38 AM
so tyler is doing a survey so that everyone can answer
@Leia like what you and i did back in september?
he shouldnt be given access to do this
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Leia 26-Oct-20 05:38 AM
yeah, and i linked to it
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:38 AM
he should be told to keep his fucking mouth shit till the meeting happens
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Leia 26-Oct-20 05:38 AM
i showed him the results
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:39 AM
if he wants to start trying to influence the community to try and make people go on his side then the meeting isnt going to work
where people will see it as a coup
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:39 AM
So how do we stop him
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:39 AM
and there will be more backlash than its worth and will probably kill the project
So how do we stop him
@HyperDan tell him to sit his ass down and not try to do any public info till the meeting happens (edited)
explain that all hes doing is going to cause tension between him and staff, aswell as cause massive drama in the community
which isnt needed right now when your project is on its deathbed
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Leia 26-Oct-20 05:40 AM
i don't think he'll understand that
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM
Oh dear.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM
then his perms to make any form of announcement should be removed
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM
okay
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM
like right fucking now
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM
he doesnt
he isnt in the discord
and even if he was
he has no roles
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM
He can't make anything rn
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM
yea till moonly decides to give his best friend owner perms
or moonly publishes it for him
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:41 AM
he wont
i know he wont
moonly is not that stupid
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:42 AM
teens are inherantly stupid zon, no matter how mature they are
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:42 AM
i know
i am one
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:42 AM
people make rash decisions for people they like and look up to
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:42 AM
if in whatever case this happens im immediately coming back to the discord
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM
ping me if you want your roles back
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM
👍
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM
basically things need to be kept private so an attempt at a smooth transition can be done
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM
That's never gonna happen with tyler
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM
we need to get this letter done asap
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM
making a polll like "should vnn be on the project" will be biased
because
fanboys
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM
if he wants to make a poll
we'll @everyone
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM
theyll see tyler and not understand why he shouldnt be on the project
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM
Zonical, want me to write something
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:43 AM
we'll goto the steam group
@HyperDan yes please
literally goto the doc
find a section
and go for it
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:44 AM
if he makes a poll there should be an @ saying this poll isnt endorsed by creators and was made without permission
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:44 AM
we're working on the moonly section rn
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:44 AM
to try and limit the damge
otherwise people will start asking why tyler was removed when theyre their favourite youtuber
ideally you put him on probation
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:45 AM
do I mention the vipes drama
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:45 AM
due to everything going on
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:45 AM
like the @here thing
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:46 AM
put that in the drama section
but we'll get there
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:46 AM
anytime someone is being investigated internally for their actions they should be under probation
so they cant just cause havok
its standard procedure, to stop issues rising up that will make the investigation and removal process more difficult
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fish 26-Oct-20 05:48 AM
^ make sure tyler cant cause any more problems while we're trying to deal with the issues he has already caused
plus, might want to get something prepared in case tyler is fully booted
so people dont suddenly wonder why he vanishes from everything associated with the project
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:49 AM
"in case" implies the end goal isnt his complete removal from the project and only being treated like an actual journalist
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fish 26-Oct-20 05:49 AM
true
but you know what i mean
in case it actually all goes to plan
and we dont have issues regarding his removal
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:49 AM
yep
there needs to be statements and stuff ready
any time theres an investigation into an indivisual in a company or project theyre put on probation for this reason
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:50 AM
Why is Tyler in the server?
Everything links to his social accounts
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
?
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
you need to deal with this
like
right fucking now
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
what
is he in
IS HE IN
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
yes
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fish 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
oh no
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
@Retr0
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fish 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
he fucking joineed
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
its time
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fish 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
ah shit
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
if this is real
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fish 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
it is
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
it's fucking tyler dude
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
IM COMING
IM OCMING
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fish 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
its his legit account
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
you need to deal with it right fucking now and mute him or some shit to stop him from causing damage
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
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sappho 26-Oct-20 05:51 AM
what dmg
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:52 AM
i dunno start shittalking and trying to convince people your trying to preform a coup (edited)
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 05:52 AM
mod given
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:52 AM
hes egotistical as fuck he isnt going to do gown without causing a fight or something
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sappho 26-Oct-20 05:52 AM
idk i have to poop
heh 1
other ppl are managing it like retr0 and zon
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM
can confirm it's the legitimate him
yeh
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM
anyways
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fish 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM
just posted a doc
yep
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM
deal with this
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fish 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM
oh boy
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM
before shit happens
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fish 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM
here we go
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM
delete it or some shit, unless you want to endorse whta hes doing
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM
whats the doc
👀
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sappho 26-Oct-20 05:53 AM
i think u guys r overreacting
he is still part of the team and its a simple survey
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:54 AM
yea and why is he doing it when hes under investigation to be removed
why does he want email addresses
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sappho 26-Oct-20 05:54 AM
hes not particularly
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 05:54 AM
what's the doc scoutno zmisc_hand_gun
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:54 AM
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 05:54 AM
i c
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sappho 26-Oct-20 05:54 AM
i am going to bring it up tomorrow but im not like aiming to get him Deleted from the team
scoutno 1
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:54 AM
i mean everyone else agrees he needs the boot
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fish 26-Oct-20 05:55 AM
^
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:55 AM
hes trying to act like he cares all of a sudden
and that he always wanted to listen to feedback (edited)
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fish 26-Oct-20 05:55 AM
was kind of one of the pillars we needed to deal with, dropping him from the team
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:55 AM
so when hes booted he can cause a shitstorm saying he was in the middle of helping (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:55 AM
umm
tyler has his role
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:55 AM
why did he just drop it without getting an OK from the team
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:55 AM
he does not have announcer
he cannot make any announcements
@Retr0 you seeing this
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM
if i were you id delete the doc
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM
no
we're not going to
it's not public
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM
it seems to be mde without going through the larger staaff team
it literally is public
the doc as in
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM
wait
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM
the thing he posted
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM
oh
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM
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fish 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM
yeah
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM
the "survey" he wants you to do
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:56 AM
he's done it like once
who cares
if he gets like 5 people
then who cares
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM
yea and the fact that hes trying to save fce now and do shit without going through staff
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM
he can post messages in announcements
but cannot ping
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM
ok brb
fixing this now
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM
hes going to cause fuck ton of problems and i cant wait for it to be "i told you so" part 2
just posted it again
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM
what are you going to do?
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM
He can't just be fucking allowed to do this, he is 100% doing this to get an alibi to tell others
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fish 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM
posted it again
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:57 AM
who endorsed this on your team
other than him
if hes the only one pushing for this its a power play
he should be going through the team
not acting on his own
like leia had to do
you dont just start posting random surveys without an OK
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:58 AM
done
deleted
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:58 AM
you dont just go into a project you ghosted for months on end to get "feedback" without consulting the actual team of the project
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 05:59 AM
i know
i've deleted it
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 05:59 AM
pog
so it begins
ultracringe
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 05:59 AM
good
if hes goign to do shit like this, it should go through the team first
he shouldnt just be able to make decisions for the project like that
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:00 AM
it is going thru the team
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:00 AM
we can still block it if we really wanted it to
but it'd look bad
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:00 AM
it wouldnt!
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:00 AM
Is it though Steph?
Who approved this?
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:00 AM
Its being discussed in devgen
Chill ya tits
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM
He literally randomly joined and spammed it, if this was approved beforehand, then this wouldn't be as convoluted and complicated
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM
you see this is what i meant by people convincing tyler to go on his side @Kaya
see why i was worried shit would go through
and how easy it is for him to get the staff on his side
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM
You can't just discuss it RIGHT NOW as he joins and posts it
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM
you need to give tyler NO leighway with this shit
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM
this should've been discussed before it was posted
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM
He should have gained approval BEFORE he posted it in general.
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM
^
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:01 AM
otherwise he WILL cause problems
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:02 AM
dont worry
literally all the active people arent buying his bullshit
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 06:02 AM
https://puu.sh/GGH5H/978ee20597.png Literally doesn't care.
heh 1
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:02 AM
I don't care if I get banned from the public server for going against him
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:03 AM
literally all the active people arent buying his bullshit
@ZoNiCaL steph seems to
and theyre one of the main people who are actually able to put pressure and make this happen
like if push comes to shove shit can get leaked to show he isnt being genuine
ideally id DOES NOT come to that
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:03 AM
i can always stop it if i really wanted it to
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:03 AM
chill
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:03 AM
but if hes gonna play dirty and try and influence the community to veto any decion to remove him
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:03 AM
moth chill
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:03 AM
touge and i have talked about this
at large
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:04 AM
if i believe it's in bad faith im not going to allow it
i as a mod am above the team on the discord
i believe with all the evidence i have been given here
this survey is in bad faith
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:04 AM
I do believe this is in bad faith
As soon as OUR feedback was mentioned, Tyler does this
This isn't a coincidence
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:04 AM
yea
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:05 AM
@Retr0 your thoughts?
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:05 AM
I-
uhm
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:05 AM
I do not believe for one fucking second this is being done with good intentions
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:05 AM
I am just watching over general
and yeah...
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:05 AM
he needs to be kept on a leash and under probation untill the investigation and meeting regarding his (and moonlys) future on the project happens
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:05 AM
if it is posted in #announcements
can i delete it
its your call
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:05 AM
this whole thing is just sus
no it's not my call
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM
Retr0, it is your bloody call
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM
your head mod retr0
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM
You're head mod
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM
He just waltzes in and suddenly he cares?
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM
it is literally your call
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM
you're head mod
i want to know from you
tell me what you want me to do
and i will do it
you are far more knowledgeable than me
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM
That I don't agree with a random ass form being posted by Tyler that literally joined out of nowhere?
Yes.
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Noodle 26-Oct-20 06:06 AM
MegaBastard
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:07 AM
Unless Moonly or any other staff member states otherwise. (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:07 AM
i believe this survey in general is in bad faith
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if it is posted in announcements
can i delete it and state a public reason
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:08 AM
Yes.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:08 AM
he needs to be kept on a leash and under probation untill the investigation and meeting regarding his (and moonlys) future on the project happens
@Moth🦀 This TBH
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:08 AM
thank you.
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:08 AM
But please do give a reason if anything like that happens
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:09 AM
yes.
i will
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:09 AM
i literally just told kaya about this but ill repeat it since its actually happenign now
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rob5300 26-Oct-20 06:09 AM
Please be careful if you delete something like this. You best discuss with the staff member who posts it first
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:09 AM
tyler is trying to convince you he shouldnt be removed, that it isnt his fault, that he should be given a 2nd chance
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:10 AM
tyler is the one posting it mate
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:10 AM
hes trying to make it seem like hes trying to help the project by coming out of nowhere
and if he manages to convince you all to drop this entire rework project
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rob5300 26-Oct-20 06:10 AM
I don't know if he will post anything again. Just warning you to not act carelessly
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:10 AM
then that would be kinda sad to see
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:10 AM
he's posted several times
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:10 AM
since youve actually got a thing going on here
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:10 AM
do I really need to convince james that tyler gives no fuck and risk being anned
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM
Is carelessly defined as: Tyler posting and literally spamming the form numerous times?
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM
and to just let it fall because you want to "give tyler and moonly" another chance then this project will die
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM
just drop it lol
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM
@rob5300 i believe this survey is in complete bad faith as tyler wants to make himself look good for his own personal gain
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM
@rob5300 i kinda feel alone explaining myself about the document we're doing in devgen though
i don't know how to explain to nano what we're doing
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM
let me in devgen and i can help you
of course thats a little careless
and i doubt you'll EVER do that
you'll probably get kicked if you did so but
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM
i don't know how i can do that anyway
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:11 AM
fair nuff
i dont wanna go into conspiracy loopy land
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:12 AM
bah
ill msg nano later bout stuff
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:12 AM
im not trying to block this survey to try and better us by the way
im blocking it because based on all of the evidence that ive seen here
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM
Can someone do me a TL;DR please (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM
plus the incoming staff meeting discussing this
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM
I just came home
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM
tyler has made a 'feedback survey'
joined the main disc
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM
tyler has just spammed a feedback survey into general without staff consent
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM
OH COME ON
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM
started randomly posting it without consent
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM
yep.
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM
ive deleted it
it's now going through the team
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM
Tyler made this feedback survey after being informed of our feedback thing
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:13 AM
and it will be deleted if it gets posted in #announcements
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM
what is he even doing in general
I swear if he wants to start a riot...
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM
I need to catch up
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM
brb
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM
Stephanie, will you take this fucking seriously
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM
yea, remember what i said about tyler trying to get people on his side to undermine the entire rework @Kaya (edited)
hes doing that
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM
@sappho you are not helping
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM
like right fucking now
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM
Retr0
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM
and people like steph and nano are believing him (edited)
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM
Can I ask you one thing
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:14 AM
Sure
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:15 AM
Can you grant me more permissions while this thing is around?
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:15 AM
whoever unpinned that u suck
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:15 AM
thanks, love you too steph
MegaBastard 2
and Kaya I will do so if we need any help
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:15 AM
i think yall should cool it with the conspiracies about tyler
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:15 AM
let me know if
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM
@Retr0 you can give them
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM
sure
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM
hes not an evil genius mastermind lol
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM
im busy rn
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM
yes
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM
i'll be back soon
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM
we know he isnt a genius thanks
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM
i think yall should cool it with the conspiracies about tyler
@sappho is it a conspiracy to say he all of a sudden prepred a feedback document out of nowhere when he learnt people were sick of him being on the project, despite having a history of saying to moonly he doesnt want community feedback? (edited)
steph i dont think your taking this seriously
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM
Yes, but trying to prove his innocence by suddenly appearing with a feedback document to say "ACHKTUALLY I WAS HELPING WITH FEEDBACK" is not a fucking concern, in the slightest?
Steph, do you really want Tyler gone or not? You have to take this seriously.
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM
ACHKTUALLY
kek
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:16 AM
like i dont wanna be rude
but you dont seem to be taking this seriously
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:17 AM
ok listen
Tyler came in devgen saying we should compile everything that is wrong with the project
I told him people are already doing it
He then said that well-known community members, mods and staff members is not representative
OMEGALUL 1
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:17 AM
im not taking it as life threateningly seriously as some ppl in here, no
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:18 AM
yes because he is an idiot and whats to undermine what we are trying to do in here
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:18 AM
I can say that I'm kind of mad he just took my job of making community surveys to do his own
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:18 AM
He then said that well-known community members, mods and staff members is not representative
@Leia which is why he needs to be on fucking probation???????
?????
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:18 AM
agreed, please stop this from continuing
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:18 AM
because the fact that hes going to cause problems by trying to undermine the feedbacak of the staff and community
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM
nano agrees with what tyler said
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM
unfortunately
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM
yea because hes trying to undermine this entire operation
convince people he isnt bad
and that he should stay
and all this will be for naught
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM
He then said that well-known community members, mods and staff members is not representative
Then who the fuck consists of Creators.TF?
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM
apparently not the staff
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM
Stephanie, please realise he is doing this to manipulate your opinion on him to get you on his side, do not sway towards him. We cannot allow Tyler to get his say in this.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM
noone fucking listened to me with my feedback in april till september, and then SF happened which was my I TOLD YOU SO moment
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:19 AM
He has done this before with Open Fortress and he will do it again with us. Please be wary. Please.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:20 AM
dont make the same mistake and ignore the issues the community are having right now
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:20 AM
do we need to link the clip that shows tyler slowly getting the OF dev team on his sides via coercion and threats (edited)
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:20 AM
....,?
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:21 AM
i guess we do?
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:21 AM
I think youre expecting me to hate tyler very strongly with exceedingly little evidence
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:21 AM
tldr tyler had a meeting with OF, they disagreed with him but via coercion and threats (from "valve legal") he got the entire OF project on his side to get the github closed down
nah this isnt about hating tyler
its about realising your project is about to die (edited)
and tyler is one of those reasons
do you not give a shit about preserving this project
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM
i think i would say this a little better
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM
hes done this before (edited)
we literally have the OF team clip
of him doing exactly this
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM
not in an alarmist way or whatever
but like
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM
i think you are being overly alarmist, and I understand your concerns with how things are going
which js why we have a staff meeting tomorrow
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM
^^
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM
and the feedback doc had been pulled
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM
yea and why is he trying to cause issues now before that (edited)
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM
becausw its not endorsed by the team
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM
put him on probation
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:22 AM
Tyler McVicker is a detriment to this project. You need to realise this. His survey being made right after being told that we're making one is his attempt at trying to prove that he cares about the project. If it wasn't brought up, he would not be doing this. He wouldn't give a shit. He is getting directly involved because it threatens his position in creators
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:23 AM
which has been plainly stated in dev chat
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:23 AM
and make sure he doesnt do more stunts
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:23 AM
i dont have that power nor authority
at least at the moment
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:23 AM
Leaked convo found in 4chan of Open Fortress Development Team and Tyler McVicker from VNN (Valve News Network) https://gofile.io/d/tAwESy
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:23 AM
his attempt at trying to prove that he cares about the project
it's literally because he doesn't believe that a few "handpicked" people from different groups is relevant nor representative of the project
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:24 AM
ok im back
whats going on
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:24 AM
steph doesnt seem to realise tyler has a history of using coersion, threats and lies to get his way with the project
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:24 AM
We weren't even handpicked? We were the ones who wanted to do this ourselves, then you asked others around if there were interested. No one was specifically picked.
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:24 AM
also
guys
i agree with @sappho here
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:24 AM
and he needs to be put on a leash before he causes more problems
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:24 AM
we should calm down a bit
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:24 AM
r e l a x
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
There is no question here VNN needs to go.
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
i am aware of the of and tf2c drama
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
yes tyler needs to be looked at
BUT
guys
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
Can you at least see the glaringly obviously problem and implications of this regardless?
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
thats tomorrow
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
will there even be a tomorrow
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
can we please do what we've come here to do
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
finish the doc asap
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
if tyler causes issues
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
organise our document
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
whats the point in tomorrow
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
gather all of our evidence
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
please, everyone just go on that gdoc
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
tyler cannot do anything more right now
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
if all the staff members get convinced he needs to stay
whats the point
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
its ok
dont worry
its going to be ok
@Moth🦀 i know you care a lot
we just need to be patient
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
it really isnt since this is literally what he has a history of doing retro
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
and take our time
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
its on the docket
rewax.
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:25 AM
if we rush what we do
then there's no point
just take a breather
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM
theres a good chance of him becoming a "partner" along with higps
but i unno
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM
please
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM
we just have to play our cards right
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM
it needs to be discussed
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM
just go on the gdoc
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM
zon, this is literally what kaya said when i brought up the concern of tyler causing issues, right before tyler joined the discord aand caused issues
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM
Dear members of the development team for Creators.TF. PREAMBLE The internet pulls us into many strange places sometimes. If you were to show a human 50 years ago what the modern digital age looks like today, it would probably cause sensory overload and it’ll kill them. On tha...
take all of your energy
and put it into this document
right now
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM
i dont have a super strong issue with tyler
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:26 AM
Yeah I’m convinced most people are either just willingly ignorant or borderline brain dead
If you can’t see what hes done in the past
And what he’s doing here
There’s really no words for that level of gullibility
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:27 AM
put somewhere how many we are to write this
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:27 AM
I pray you never have an abusive partner because you all are fucked if you end up with one lmao
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:27 AM
the fact that people on the staff team are falling for tylers ruse
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:27 AM
i did @tougeFS
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:27 AM
the fact that youd throw away this project so easily
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:27 AM
anyway
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:27 AM
guys
go to the conclusion
and write your name and who you are (edited)
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:28 AM
Knock it off
Dont patronize me
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:28 AM
^^^^
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:28 AM
leave steph alone
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:28 AM
im not just talking steph here btw
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:28 AM
I'm sorry Steph, I'm just very alarmed and concerned.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:28 AM
im talking about the team at large
like nano and possibly rob for believing this BS
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:28 AM
steph can believe in whoever the fuck she wants to
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM
HOW DO I MAKE A NEW LINE
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM
you guys are literally forcing people to join us by the neck
that is NOT what we are here for
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM
I made it for you kaya
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM
do you understand
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM
ctrl enter
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM
we are here to better c.tf (edited)
not to have a coup
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM
is it fair to call myself a jump community representative here or nah
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM
i get you are all concerned
but just relax
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM
thanks dan lmfao
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM
it'll all happen in due time.
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM
since it wasn't by delegation or whatever
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:29 AM
so @Moth🦀
please relax a bit
and just give it time
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:30 AM
zon pls
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:30 AM
and that goes for all of you
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:30 AM
in the end just try to remember everything i said about tyler
so when things go tits up i can say i told you so
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:30 AM
right since no one is answering im putting it in
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM
Actually I'll read the doc and sign after
oop oop
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM
my timmy
tummy
hurts
my Timmy. My Timbs
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM
have you tried paracetamol
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM
Hyper that is cringe
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM
😔
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM
remove the jump community line
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 06:31 AM
heavykek
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM
I asked like twice and no one answered dude
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM
Anyways
Probs should delete this server now
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM
Why
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM
It’s pretty apparent this has been a huge waste of time
Because nothing is going to fundamentally change
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM
Because nothing is going to fundamentally change
@tougeFS Do not give up now.
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM
@tougeFS this is not a waste of time
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM
we havent even had the meeting yet you goblin
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:32 AM
If you give up you'll just be giving in
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:33 AM
VNN will promise to give you some meaningless role, you’ll be content with it since it’s your promotion and content will continue to be shit lol @sappho
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:33 AM
We still have so much to do
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:33 AM
stop trying to strongarm me by threatening to delete ur illuminati server. if u really genuinely care u will give me a legitimate valid document to present
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:33 AM
tyler is making his power play (edited)
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:33 AM
If all it takes was him posting a survey for you all to ignore everything he’s done in the past and immediately begin sucking him off I don’t have to guess how the meeting will go.
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM
i am one of the people who told him to stop posting it
Knock it off.
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM
Steph, we're literally writing it
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM
He isn't convinced right now.
You need to convince him.
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM
Three of us or more have already written documents
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM
I'm with Steph here.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM
you dont
you dont need to convince him
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM
You guys need to chill.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM
you just need enough people saying he needs to get the fuck out of the project
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM
You have until tomorrow to write the best document possible
And that's what we want with this document
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:34 AM
the doc is a waste of time
heres what it will do
hell "read" it
say it doesnt matter
due to the people who wrote it not being his friends or whatever
and then hell coup the project
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM
Then that's his problem
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM
making a power play like touge said above (edited)
yea it is
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM
Didn’t VNN literally say a server full of staff, mods and community members isn’t relevant
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM
Yes
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM
but its also your problem
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM
but we still have to deliver something
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM
But sure this document will convince him!
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM
if you want the project to not die
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM
otherwise tomorrow's meeting will be useless
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:35 AM
You can just call a vote of no confidence if you need
This is YOUR CHANCE to have your voice heard
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:36 AM
where did he say that
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:36 AM
@Leia can you grab where he said that
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:36 AM
Like a legit voice instead of just " fuck Tyler McVicker"
Because of course he won't read it if it's just that
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:36 AM
@Leia can you just get a screenshot of that message
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:36 AM
i'll just screen the whole convo if you agree steph
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:37 AM
just do it anyway at this point anything involving tylers actions should be transparent
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:37 AM
i think that's enough
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:38 AM
i c
lmfao
just completally dismissive
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 06:38 AM
Tyler waltzing in and declaring he cares is really getting on my nerves.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:38 AM
about all the work thaats been done prior and is being done now
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:38 AM
This should be something everyone on theam team should be able to overlook, no?
it literally is
this is painful to read
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:39 AM
watch leia get kicked for "leaking" this
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:39 AM
i mean
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:39 AM
They might
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:39 AM
moonly probably put me on his watching list if one exist
but like steph
understand this
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:39 AM
Yeah this shit is doomed GG
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:39 AM
i'm not doing this because i find it funny
i'm doing it with a reason
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM
Go agane on a different project
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM
@tougeFS do not give up mate.
You wanted this to happen.
You wanted to be on the team again.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM
yea because he thought people would take this seriously
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM
i haven't leaked the dev server before because i'm not a loser, like you say
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM
“Surely VNN won’t cause any issues!”
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM
Think about how far we've come so far for change.
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM
but this is getting critical about the project's future
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM
zon at some point you need to look realisticaally
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM
@tougeFS Please, do not give up. You have to see this through. If it fails, it fails and we can focus on BL. And if it doesn't, we can all rejoice and be happy that we saved this project.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:40 AM
and not about "hopefully"
you need to look at the facts and prescident
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:41 AM
I want this to succeed as much as you do
I know Tyler is doing the complete wrong thing right noe and I want him out as much as you do
But simply screaming "FUCK YOU TYLER MCVICKER" does absolutely nothing to help
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:42 AM
just booting him off the project with as much ease as he did to touge would do wonders to help actually
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:42 AM
Booting him off would be wonderful
But you've got to approach it seriously
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:42 AM
@sappho do you realize that firing me for leaking stuff while i put so much work on this update, said and showed several times i love this project, would be fucking stupid and insulting?
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:42 AM
And not just screeching and flailing your arms around
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:42 AM
is she reporting this leak in dev chat @Leia
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM
i'm just saying this casually
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM
sometimes asking nicely stops working WeirdChamp
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM
that doesnt answer the question
is steph trying to get you removed for the leak you just did (edited)
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM
don't think so
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM
i hope not
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM
Let's say that ok, administration doesn't care about Leia and they get booted. Think about the community at least, about the mods.
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM
snitches get the entire project killed because theyed rather be petty (edited)
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM
Steph wouldn't do that.
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:43 AM
i am not saying IM gonna do it
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:44 AM
Someone else might
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sappho 26-Oct-20 06:44 AM
brb shaving
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 06:44 AM
VNN and moonly could literally just be in here and join a VC
but nope
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:44 AM
Well then it's their fault
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:44 AM
i mean i hesitated about telling him about the discord
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:44 AM
We've just gotta keep going then
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 06:44 AM
i am not saying IM gonna do it
anon user #54987390 on 4chan will tho sex
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:45 AM
bruh
i am not saying IM gonna do it
that's not reassuring ngl
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:45 AM
gonna go on tf2g and post cum now
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 06:45 AM
yeah what a sketch way of putting it WeirdChamp
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:46 AM
I'm doing this because I legitimately care about this project
I don't want it to fail
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And I'm using whatever is my power to have things get changed
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:47 AM
and its a shame noone realises the gravity of the situation (edited)
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:47 AM
c.tf is literally what gets me out of bed every morning
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 06:47 AM
nah cause as long as I get my promotion, it's all good
mega_bastard
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:47 AM
and tyler or whoever in the team would kick me for irrelevant things?
like
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM
c.tf is the reason I started working on discord bots
Just saying
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM
do you realize how much time i spent on this?
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM
megabastard
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM
do you realize i'm practically burnt out of my work and can't get myself to write for the next update yet?
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM
seriously whats stopping yall from just voting tyler off
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM
i said i would take a break this weekend
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM
and then making a public statement on it
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM
i wasn't able to
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:48 AM
yea but if more of the staff here were serious about this
then it would be EZ
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:49 AM
nah i'm talking about my break
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:49 AM
ah
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:49 AM
i wasn't able to take one
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:49 AM
theres no shame in ditching the project tbh
youve put in as much effort as you can
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:49 AM
i care too much about this project to let it go
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:49 AM
and if you dont get the respect and recognition you deserver then its their fault, not yours
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:49 AM
and we all know what will happen if the discord knows about me leaving the project
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:50 AM
touge pulled a megabastard
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:50 AM
wdym retr0 (edited)
OH (edited)
@tougeFS are we leaking shit now or? (edited)
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:51 AM
Plan C already? That was quick
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 06:51 AM
are we just going with the public pressure route?
since plan B of voting him off and getting the staff to handle them itself isnt working
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:51 AM
just just
whatever you do
finish the doc
like make it public
@tougeFS whatever your plan is, we should release the doc at some point
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 06:53 AM
drop the nukes PogU
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:54 AM
I will just clear this: whatever your actions are, if they are rule breaking you are getting punished. Just because I agree to some points doesn't give you the right to disobey the rules. (edited)
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:54 AM
^^^^
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:54 AM
Mods have every right to act regardless
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 06:54 AM
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 06:54 AM
time to nuke c.tf general with the entire mb.tf creators drama archive!
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sex
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 06:54 AM
@Leia Am I allowed to ask to come to the meeting at all
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Leia 26-Oct-20 06:55 AM
i don't know
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 06:55 AM
It's your doc Zoncial.
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Retr0 26-Oct-20 06:55 AM
time to nuke c.tf general with the entire mb.tf creators drama archive!
isfine
Ima go consume my sandwich now
And watch a movie or something
Hopefully I don't come back to a burning server
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fish 26-Oct-20 06:56 AM
unfortunately that looks like what might happen
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 06:59 AM
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:00 AM
tbf not all of it is tyler related
a lot of it isnt relevant to getting tyler off the project as it involves the harassment and bullying c.tf has done
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 07:00 AM
its relevant to this project burning to the ground
mega_bastard
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:01 AM
eh im only releasing the tyler package for now
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 07:01 AM
but ofc
weapons at the ready cap'n
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fish 26-Oct-20 07:02 AM
well
this is sure to go well
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 07:03 AM
just kidding i remain a relatively neutral party
mega_bastard
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Leia 26-Oct-20 07:21 AM
Tyler dismissing what I say because i have an "overwhelmed" mind
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:22 AM
screenies plox
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Leia 26-Oct-20 07:22 AM
no more screens
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:22 AM
darn
thats the only way to help the project at this point
seeming as literally all the other staff members cant help themselves
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sappho 26-Oct-20 07:25 AM
Stop leaking staff chats
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Leia 26-Oct-20 07:26 AM
i'm not posting pictures
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:26 AM
Stop leaking staff chats
@sappho Start fixing the project!
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Leia 26-Oct-20 07:26 AM
i just have to vent somewhere because i can't accept being dismissed that way
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:26 AM
oh wait its a bit late for that ThanosDaddy
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sappho 26-Oct-20 07:26 AM
I am rapidly becoming disillusioned with this project because it is becoming apparent that people in here are not being reasonable
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You can say something Leia!
We're all adults
youre allowd to tell him
"wtf do u mean by that"
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 07:28 AM
And that will be dismissed as well.
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:28 AM
Who the fuck leaked those chats onto the main discord
I want to know right now
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 07:28 AM
It's Moth
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:28 AM
Why
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 07:28 AM
@Moth🦀 Cut this shit out, it's not helping.
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM
Why the fuck would you do that
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM
neither is sitting around with your thumbs up your asses
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM
Okay
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM
WeirdChamp
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM
I'm about to have to have a panic attack
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM
cool
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM
Aren't we fucking all
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM
Because this shit has gone too far
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM
chill zonical
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sappho 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM
Rome was not rebuilt in a day
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM
you know who else almost got a panic attack
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM
it'll be alright
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Leia 26-Oct-20 07:29 AM
you know who else almost got a panic attack
me
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
Rome was not rebuilt in a day
we havent even destroyed it yet soldierwhat
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
worst case scenario there's some kind of discord riot
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
It's not going to be alright
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
in progress
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
me when i joined this server with the intent to help and got harassed and bulllied for the 1000th time, and then got a half assed apology
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
and even then with slowmode and upload perms
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sappho 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
yall are working yourselfes into a fuss
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
worst case scenario there's some kind of discord riot
@tougeFS please no
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
im fine going down as a villain now
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
it shouldn't be that hard to deal with
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
Because I'm not going to deal with amother riot
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
you ruined your chance
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sappho 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
Ah well there she goes
WeirdChamp
"You didnt fix this problem in 12 hours? Fuck you, youre gay, and I hate you" (edited)
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
ill probably write up the harassment doc later with all the evidence of c.tf supporting abusers and harassment later though, since that one needs explantion more than links (edited)
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Leia 26-Oct-20 07:30 AM
everyone
just
finish this document
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:31 AM
Can we all come to an agreement that communicating with VNN is not a valuable way to spend time?
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:31 AM
Yes
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Leia 26-Oct-20 07:31 AM
because i'm gonna present it to tomorrow's meeting
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:31 AM
And that the large majority of all of our concerns and things we've presented have been ignored
Yes/no
that's all in need from you all
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:31 AM
Yes
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「Suilla」 26-Oct-20 07:31 AM
yes.
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HyperDan 26-Oct-20 07:32 AM
yes
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:32 AM
@sappho @Alibi
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Moth🦀 26-Oct-20 07:32 AM
"You didnt fix this problem in 12 hours? Fuck you, youre gay, and I hate you"
@sappho dont know why you brought you being gay up, seems like standard victim mentality
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:32 AM
moth chill
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Alibi 26-Oct-20 07:32 AM
Yes. But Moth is going to fuck this up if they continue. Honestly, stop this.
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fish 26-Oct-20 07:32 AM
moth please can we not?
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 07:33 AM
can we like
no
t
?
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DeLichte 26-Oct-20 07:33 AM
Maturity or leave. This is getting on my last nerve.
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tougeFS 26-Oct-20 07:35 AM
Agreed
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Kaya 26-Oct-20 07:35 AM
This is literally the last thing we all want
Drama
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ZoNiCaL 26-Oct-20 07:35 AM
I want to call a vote to remove moth from the server and this movement
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